Episode 131: Talk w/ Emmy Award winning writer David Mandel (VEEP, Clerks: Animated Series, Eurotrip)

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Music.

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Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Uncle Dad Talks.

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I'm Uncle Dad and with me as always is the ever so handsome,

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the ever so well-drawn, the one and only Mike Hampton. What's up, Mike?

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Oh, it's been the day.

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I'm going to do a recap of my day so everyone can know what type of page I'm on for this episode.

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But I'm great. Yeah, I'm here. I'm excited for our guest today.

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Our guests well hey whenever

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they listen it's whatever time they're in so at some point it might be

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right right yeah what time

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zone are we in yeah what day is it uh

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but we are with somebody who i would say arguably

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is fairly legendary i think

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his work is very iconic he has

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worked for some pretty amazing writing

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credits not only that he's also just done some great

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stuff all together and Mike you know before you

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introduce him I gotta ask you this question how excited

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are you right now I'm excited I'm very excited

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he knows I'm so excited I've been

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trying to get this gentleman on on the

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show for I don't know maybe two years we've been like going back and

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forth and he's busy filming tv shows

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and and accepting awards and nice you know things you know so we we have him

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he was a i'm going to go through some of his accolades here not all but some

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he was a writer on snl a writer on seinfeld a writer and a director on curb your enthusiasm.

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He's the executive producer of white house plumbers and

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executive producer of the emmy

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award-winning show veep which is so funny

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drum roll please uncle dad's

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been wanting to use this drum roll so we're finally going to throw it in here

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here we go easy as it sounds let's have

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it here we go the drum roll we have dave mendel on the show yes yeah hold on

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hold on hold on hold on all right now now we're officially so like like a morning

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zoo radio show thank you bravo i'm trying i'm trying david please i'm just trying you know.

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Can you hit the cue for Take This Job and Shove It? We'll get going.

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And then I Don't Want to Work, I'll bang on the drum all day.

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We'll just get it all going. Yeah.

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Thank you. That was beautiful. Very heartfelt. The drum roll and the applause. Thank you.

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You've earned it. Hey, guys. Hey.

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That's a real talk. Yeah. And one of the things I didn't mention in the intro,

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and I'll explain part of why that happened. Yeah.

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He's also has a very, very fun podcast to listen to called what dreams are made of.

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And, uh, stuff dreams are made up.

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And I listened to a few episodes and I was just listening to,

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I listened to maybe about half of the Rob Liefeld episode when you guys are

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talking about comic book art and you know, it's so, it's just so fun.

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There's so many fun things and we're going to get to all that.

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That. But Dave, so you do a podcast, you travel a lot.

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You know, today, I originally woke up at 5am on the East Coast to arrive where

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I'm at right now in Sacramento at 12 in the afternoon and have a day to do my things.

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And anyways, I missed that flight.

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I barely made it to my hotel room to get the internet going,

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which it didn't try to fail.

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And then realized that my whole notes that I've have

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been compiling for this interview are left

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either in the plane or on the lift car on the

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way over here so i'm gonna kind of go

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i can answer that it was the lift car and his

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show is called can i give you a lift and i just

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did an hour with him and he was they were fucking great and they asked some

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really interesting questions they'd really done their research really really

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likes we cried we cried that day we got deep we got we cried so yeah good work

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good work yeah yeah all right well i'm happy to help you out everyone who needs

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help you're losing my phone.

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Well, one of the other things that you worked on that was also very fun,

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because it's just celebrating its 20th, 20-year anniversary,

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is the now acclaimed cult classic, right?

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Finally, finally acclaimed. You give something long enough and it's a cult classic.

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Just give us another 20 years and it'll be an Oscar winner.

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But keep yeah cold classic euro trip euro trip which which wasn't originally

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called euro trip and i don't know how many people know this i remember seeing the script,

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but when it was still called or when it was you know what was on the script

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was ugly americans yeah which to me after re-watching it a couple weeks ago

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fits fits it better because that's That's exactly what these kids are in the film, right?

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The movie wouldn't have been any different. And quite honestly,

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I think it still would have been a, you know, a bit of a bomb that eventually

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maybe became a cult classic.

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But in my mind, and again, I know I'm wrong.

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If they had called it Ugly Americans, you know, from the get-go,

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it would have been a giant hit.

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I know I'm wrong. But yeah, I know we always, we have gotten used to Eurotrip

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over the 20 years. I wrote it and co-wrote it and co-directed it with Jeff Schaefer

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and Alec Berg, who were my longtime friends, writing partners,

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everything. We went to school together.

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We wrote together on Seinfeld. We wrote together and directed together on Curb.

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We did that. We did a whole bunch of other movie stuff together.

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And we just always preferred Ugly Americans.

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And really, when we were in sort of pre-production, not pre-production,

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sorry, they never loved the title. They were worried about...

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Dumb members of the audience would think we were calling them ugly and that

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it was somehow unpatriotic also.

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That was the other slam on the title.

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And honestly, it just came down to a point when we were trying to get the movie

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out. Like it existed and they kind of hated it.

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And we were struggling to just, you know, get the test numbers where they wanted it to.

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And they more or less, we finally did, but they more or less put a gun to our

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head and just said, they're not putting it out if we don't change the name to Europe Trip.

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Because they were trying, can you remember the movie Road Trip with Tom Green and all those guys?

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Do you remember Road Trip? they were trying at

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one point they were hoping to get tom green to like make an

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ad for our movie like like almost like hi

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i'm tom green you remember my my first group of friends and they went on a trip

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at college these are my new friends and they're in they're on a road they're

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in they're on a europe trip so even without the tom green shots or whatever

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they were trying to trick their Their big strategy for the movie,

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this was DreamWorks' major marketing strategy, was,

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tricking people into thinking it was a sequel to Road Trip.

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That was their entire marketing strategy, tricking people.

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And again, you get used to a title, it's two years, whatever,

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20 years of its EuroTrip and people, and now that it is a cult hit and people

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do like EuroTrip, I don't know.

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It just, I would have, yeah, Ugly Americans would have been the title I prefer. Yeah.

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When was the last time that you watched the film, like sat down and watched

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the whole thing? Has it been a while? It was a long while.

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And then sometime in the last, I don't know, I'll say year, but it may have

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been a year and a half, quite honestly, because it might have been, might have been.

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God, yeah, it's probably been over a year. My daughter, who is 16 years old,

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finally watched it, and I sort of was half watching it with her.

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I wasn't watching it with her, but I was sort of listening and watching,

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if that makes any sense. Like, cause I was curious, I wasn't particularly worried

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about it. It wasn't like, oh my God, the language.

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I mean, Lord knows she's heard worse or anything like that. But I was kind of

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just curious as to, I guess, look, I'm not going to lie.

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I was curious what she laughed at. You know what I mean? Like I wanted to see, what can I say?

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A 16 year old girl who, you know, knows nothing about it.

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You know, maybe it heard one or two lines around the dinner table,

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you know, where we explained something to her, like just to see what worked

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and what didn't work. I think of her as sort of a sophisticated comedy goer.

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She has good taste, the things she likes.

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And I just wanted to see like, you know, if she found it funny and she,

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she seemed to, which was good, but she laughed and like what I consider to be

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the right places. Yeah. Okay.

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Did you watch the unrated version or the rated version?

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You know, I, I, it was whatever was on, whatever was on the streamer,

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which I have to assume unfortunately is the, is the rated version.

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I have to assume because I feel like they're bad about that kind of stuff.

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Like a lot of those special versions are lost to, uh.

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Are kind of lost to our sort of whatever physical

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list media world you know where you don't get

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those director cuts or the extra five minutes

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of zodiac or whatever it is anymore unless it

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really once in a blue moon it'll explicitly you

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know talk about like this is the donner cut of superman but those are things

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that got maybe more of an official release i i just feel like all that that

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extra stuff is gone sorry that was a very long-winded answer to a simple question

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the rating cut yeah i think i like that i mean i love your answers they they're always very well.

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Articulated appreciate that you know yeah it's like i

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had so many dvds yeah that were unrated and

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this cut and that and i'm like i just got rid of them when everything

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started to become streaming because i just assumed everything would be

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available streaming and that's not the case that's not but it's

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but it is funny and by the way i'm not sure i can't

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sit here and tell you you were wrong to get rid of them because

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you could also be me which is to say you

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know if we could kind of turn this thing you would

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just see like a giant like these two

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giant like like file drawers full of dvds and then on top are the ones that

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didn't quite fit do you know what i mean and so they're all here and they're

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about 11 feet from my television and i never put one in so So they're,

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you know, which is, which of us is smarter?

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I don't know. At least you, at least you have the space for books or something else.

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I, mine are here and it just, there's, I don't know what would have to happen to get me to put a DVD in.

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I mean, honestly, like a, like a, like a power failure of some sort, you know.

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The internet would have to be down for some period of time. Yeah. Yeah.

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One of the things that I know everyone loves about the film and part of what

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makes that that cult classic is having Matt Damon do his cameo of,

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you know, of the punk bands, you know, singing Scotty Doesn't Know.

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And I'm sure you've told this story a million times, but tell our listeners.

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He was already in Prague where you guys were filming, and he was shooting Brothers Grimm.

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Yeah. Do you guys just roll up on him at a bar somewhere and go,

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yo, Matt, can you do this? Or how does that happen?

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How do you guys meet? It's very funny. When we were making Hero Trip,

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which would have been 2003,

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there was a tremendous amount of bad luck, which is if you look at the date

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of whatever it was, winter and spring of 2003, you've got the Iraqi war going on.

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And like, I think there was even like a, I can't remember.

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I feel like there was like a, like a disease too. So nobody,

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nobody wanted to travel.

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It was the idea of like, Hey, why don't you come and come to,

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you know, Prague? Like people were like a little scared.

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I mean, it was a long time ago, but it was just like, just didn't seem like

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an ideal travel time, but we got very lucky and went in, in two facts.

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One that Prague at that moment was a real center of bargain filmmaking. making.

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So people were going to Prague like anybody's business because it was just cheaper

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to make stuff there. So that was good. That was number one.

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And so because of that, we did keep running into people, but, but again, we knew them.

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So meaning it wasn't that you could run into like, you know,

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Jeffrey Tambor, uh, who he ran into for at different points.

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And like Jeffrey Tambor was there making Hellboy.

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And it was like, we'd worked with him on the Grinch that's so Christmas was

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was like, Hey, Jeffrey Tambor, do you want to be the dad?

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Absolutely. I'll be the dad. That'd be great. And with Matt,

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it was sort of the same thing. We discovered he was there making the brothers grim.

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He had gone to college with us. I didn't pretend to know him well,

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Jeff and Alec knew him a little bit more than me.

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They had known him a little bit of college, but they'd gotten to know him after school.

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He had lived near them in like a house with like Ben Affleck and a couple of their other buddies.

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And so, you know, they, they, they knew each other. And so it was very very

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easy to kind of go, Hey, you know, would you do this?

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And he was there and he was willing and he had one free night and it turned

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out to be the shortest night. It was a,

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just a summer night and it was just like incredibly little daylight which was just madness.

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And he was willing to do it which was

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fantastic and you know

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he did it and it was great but we didn't know him yeah so okay

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that well that's fun another guy

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who has a cameo or a couple cameos in

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the movie and i didn't even really realize it was him until i

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saw the name in the credits it was fred armisen of

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portlandia who wasn't in

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portlandia didn't exist yet no he was relatively

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yes he was the the creepy italian guy

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which is sort of one of those funny things where when

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we were putting the movie together when we were writing the movie neither jeff

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nor alec nor i had ever like done forgive me

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the euro trip none of us had whether it

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was after high school or college we just you know we

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went to college and then we got jobs as comedy writers so

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we never did the let's go to europe thing but

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we had many friends that did and so a lot

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of this movie is just talking to people who'd been to europe about

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like you know funny things that happened and the one sort of across the board

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and you know you'll forgive me people of italian heritage was was every girl

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basically had been molested or attempt molested by like a creepy Italian guy

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on a train in the middle of the night in Europe.

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But basically like there just wasn't anybody that didn't try and go to sleep

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and wake up with a guy like feeling her up basically from Italy.

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So that goes into the movie.

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And originally there was this idea, the producer of the movie was Ivan Reitman,

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Ghostbusters, Animal House, et cetera, et cetera.

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And he had this idea that we attempted, which was that we would.

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Try and get genuine, I'll say comedy stars, but at some point it was also just

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the idea of like genuine people from the countries that we were going to.

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So the idea being the creepy Italian guy, we would find an Italian actor,

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someone to play that role and that, you know, the German guy would be a German

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and that the, you know, the French waiter would be French, et cetera, et cetera.

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And it kind of didn't work at all. I mean, there's definitely something,

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there was sort of two things going on there were

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there were definitely people that were just offended by the broad stereotypes of

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the movie you know so there was like a french actor that

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we wanted that was just like this is garbage and you guys are criminals basically

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like i like how dare you the french are not like this of course you know the

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rudest response ever to a part being about a rude french guy so there was that

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and then you just also really had a there were definitely you know Countries,

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and I don't know, I guess I'll say Italy was one of them, where sort of what

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was comedy to them, their style of comedy was just a very different thing.

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And certainly the Italian actors just seemed bigger and broader in a certain

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way, and they just didn't really fit in.

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So we did all of this auditioning. We hired casting people to do all this auditioning

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in all these foreign countries. And I guess the one thing I will say that we

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did actually find the girl that plays Mika, Jessica Boers, was actually German.

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She was like a German pop star, soap star, and she worked out fantastic. So that worked.

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And the other Germans worked out. Germany worked out well for us.

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Her dad was like a German actor and the crazy truck driver.

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He was on their German police procedural.

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He was like the Dennis Franz of Germany. He was like from NYPD Blue, but of Germany.

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So Germany somehow worked out. I don't know if they were giant stars flying.

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Changed our business in Germany, but the notion of finding these people.

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And so it was very last minute where we just got very lucky.

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And of course, for all of our European searching, we ended up casting JP Manu

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as the robot man out of the groundlings, I think in LA.

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And Fred at that point was relatively new to SNL and, you know, had, had the time off.

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And basically We grabbed him from SNL, but I think it was in the early days

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before he really was Fred Armisen.

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So we kind of got very lucky there. For a very long time, I think he was,

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for a little mini moment, he was probably best known for being in Eurotrip.

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And obviously that soon changed because he's so talented and did all this other stuff like Portlandia.

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But anyway, it was a very brief shining moment, but yeah, very cool.

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Cool i know uncle dad's also

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a huge fan was a huge he's a huge fan of this movie did

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you have a question i want to

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i want to tell you i hope you you should live happy knowing you

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created one of the greatest fight scenes ever to be filmed on scene and that

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is that is robot fighting like no other i i i die every time and it's such a

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trivial joke but it's such a great joke when he gets kicked you know kicked

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on nuts and he falls down and that little touch at the end when he says, terror, error.

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That was like such a, just like the full encapsulating because he could have

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broke character, right? He could have been just angry.

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No, he stuck to his robot guns. Yes.

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There's just such, was that intentional or is that something Yes,

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I'm very intentional. I mean, very intentional. Like I said, we got very lucky.

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The actor, J.P. Manu, came in, had mime training, so he was able to do it.

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But really, in the way great improv comedy actors can do,

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he really turned it into a character and made it that the ridiculous commitment

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to the roboting really came through, I think, in a great way.

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So yeah, that kind of worked.

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Yeah i think it's one of my every time i watch that scene i

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just can't help but like just die laughing because it's just

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so smart it's such a smart like it's silly but

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it's just done in such a smart way and you know

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mike i i i don't know how you feel but every

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time i see the hitler kid too the hitler baby

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just makes just i just die every time now

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that i have to ask you do you think that would be something almost impossible

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to release nowadays i mean the difference i

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guess nowadays is is you put that out and like half your audience.

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Would jump up and zeke heil i guess and join in i

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guess so that's part of the problem i guess you

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know like who knew that you know nazism would

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become so popular here in 2024 2023

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2022 the trump the post-trump era or

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the trump era so i guess that's i don't know maybe

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it would be a giant hit maybe eurotrip would have been the number one movie

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with people be like look it's not that funny but go

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see it for the there's a a nazi in it and we really appreciate that

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so there's nazi propaganda nazi propaganda in this

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movie yeah that that that

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that it's funny because i i noticed in

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several things that i that you were working on that there's

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the the nazi i mean it's it's it's

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funny especially in this episode of curve with the well

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i forget what what at what season and what number it's

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in my notes that you you talk to with the other guys um

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he's he's

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doodling the the swastika yes the swastika that's

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the with the kid season finale of that's

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the season finale it's the michael j fox episode season six i think or seven

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something like the six like six i'll say six yeah the michael j fox episode

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yeah where he's doodling the swastika and the kid learns the swastika the kid

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who who is sort of pre-gay,

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I guess, is what we call him on the show, yeah.

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And then he does it on Michael J.

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Fox's father-in-law. Father-in-law's picture, yes, exactly, yeah.

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So, and there was another one I remember,

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With Larry David doing another kind of joke of that, is that like a,

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is that like a running joke between you guys all?

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Like, I mean, it's funny. I laugh every time it's on there. I think there's

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a certain amount of, I'll say a couple of things.

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I mean, first of all, for Larry, Larry's fearless as a comedian,

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meaning he's just, he's willing to make himself look like both an idiot.

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He's also willing to sort of say just about anything, you know,

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so he's looking, whatever's funny, you know what I mean? So let's start with that.

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So just whatever is funny. So there's, I think that.

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I will say without, I don't know, maybe getting too self-analytical,

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there do happen to be a lot of Jewish comedy writers.

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It's sort of a rich tradition among the Jews, and I am one of them.

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And, and I do think part of it is, you know, a little bit of,

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you know, I'm sure there's a very sort of very serious answer about,

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you know, you know, speaking truth to power and making light of the things that

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are just so horrible to try and make light of them is sort of,

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sort of the Jewish thing to do.

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And there's nothing more horrible than the Holocaust.

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And so the idea of sort of not finding comedy, how does one say this?

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It is not finding comedy at the expense of anyone that was a victim of the Holocaust.

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It is certainly not making light of it or pretending it didn't happen,

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which obviously is a very popular riff these days.

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But finding sort of comedy in the horror, I think is what's really interesting

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and kind of, I don't know.

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And so we do that. I don't know what else to say. We do, we do that.

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And I think that's, that's, it's more of that than any private joke or anything

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like that, if that makes sense.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, we can make fun of it now because they lost.

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And I think people forget that they lost, you know?

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No, I mean, It's the craziest thing because you just, I mean,

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again, now we're talking about just, we're talking politics and you,

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you know, on the, on the, the far right, which, you know, again,

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it used to be a little perhaps hidden.

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And now, you know, they just had the big, the big CPAC conservative conference.

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And I mean, they're just open out and out Nazis, like not even hiding it now.

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And you do kind of go like, do you guys, I mean, you're, you guys remember world war two?

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Like we, we, we fought them, we beat them. I mean, it's fucking bananas, yeah.

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Yeah. Well, back to the other part of that, you mentioned Michael J. Fox. Let's go to that.

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What was it like working with him? Because I know you're a fan of Back to the

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Future. You know, it's funny. I was thinking about this the other day.

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I watched, I recently watched, even though it's been out, I think,

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for over a year and people haven't watched, I highly recommend it.

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I watched Still, which is the Michael J. Fox documentary on Apple TV.

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And it's very much about, you know, his Parkinson's, his ongoing fight against

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Parkinson's. And it's a brutal movie.

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I mean, it's, and he talks about this. It's, you know, there are moments where

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he's sitting there and when he's sitting still, obviously his speech is affected,

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but then he moves and you see him walking on camera.

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And the second he starts moving and stuff, you just are taken aback because

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no matter, I don't know how, when he's sitting there, no matter how rough he

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looks, you kind of turn him into, you know, Alex P.

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Keaton from Family Ties, you turn

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him into Marty McFly and somehow he's whatever, 24 again, but he's not.

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And in the movie one of the things that's going on is he'll come and sit down for an interview

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and all of a sudden he'll just have a black eye and they'll be like

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what's going on he's like oh i fell and his hands broke i fell and you i mean

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you feel you're not necessarily seeing these accents but you feel everyone it's

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it's quite it's both heartbreaking but also at the same time his philosophy

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and the way he talks about it the way he's willing to talk about it is really

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really, really amazing.

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When we had him on curb, I think it was certainly not great.

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He was on a medication of some sort that had a timing sequence to it.

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So he would try and take the medication, allow the medication to sink in,

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and then he would sort of be quote unquote better to work for a period of time.

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But, you know, it has certainly progressed so much since then.

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And I I will be very honest. I'm the biggest fan in the world.

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And I certainly spoke to him about scenes we were doing.

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I spoke to him about stuff we were doing, but I stopped myself.

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And now I sort of regret it, but I sort of don't. The idea of wasting his time

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with, I love Back to the Future.

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I don't know. I felt like I just didn't want to be that person as much as I

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love Back to the Future and wanted to tell him about things in my collection

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and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And I just, I didn't. And I just didn't feel like I wanted to, like, again,

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like it felt like this man is on a limited time clock of life and he doesn't

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need me wasting six minutes of it with, you know, it's like six minutes he won't

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have for something else.

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So I loved him. I respected him and I stayed out of his, I just stayed away from him.

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It's sad, but truth. I just didn't want to bug him.

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Yeah, I mean, he's such a great sport because some of the jokes you guys do with him is so fun.

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He loved doing all the Parkinson's stuff, and his timing was exquisite.

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I mean, his timing, you know, the brain is sharp, and nobody had timing like him.

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And even then, I don't know if you remember him with the big boots and the jumping,

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where Larry's like, what's all the noise, whatever.

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And you see him jumping around. And I mean, he's even he's a guy with Parkinson's

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doing physical comedy that says, you know, good as anything he ever did on Family

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Ties or, you know, anyway.

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Stone City. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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Is it the shake or the Parkinson's shake? I love that. So that line is so fun.

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Pissed or Parkinson's. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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So and so. OK. And so you, you know, of course.

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First curb is larry's larry's baby but his first baby was seinfeld and you and your your your,

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high school homies got to work with with larry

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first on seinfeld because you guys were already punching up scripts and and

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and no funny enough um the the guys it's actually we we all met in college actually

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not high school we met in college and they were a year they were a year ahead

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of me They were one year older.

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They were class of 91. I was class of 92.

441
00:29:42,285 --> 00:29:48,245
And initially everybody kind of stayed East and I, and ultimately,

442
00:29:48,305 --> 00:29:53,645
you know, they were around and then they moved to Los Angeles and I went to

443
00:29:53,645 --> 00:29:55,525
New York and I was doing SNL.

444
00:29:55,525 --> 00:29:59,805
And then they came back to New York and they were doing the Conan O'Brien show,

445
00:29:59,905 --> 00:30:01,165
the early days of Conan O'Brien.

446
00:30:01,265 --> 00:30:04,445
So we were all working in 30 Rock, but just on different stuff.

447
00:30:04,465 --> 00:30:09,585
And we were talking to each other and looking at each other's stuff,

448
00:30:09,605 --> 00:30:11,605
but not officially looking at each other's stuff. stuff.

449
00:30:11,945 --> 00:30:16,005
And then they, they went back to LA basically to clean out their apartment and

450
00:30:16,005 --> 00:30:18,725
move to New York full time when they got Seinfeld.

451
00:30:18,865 --> 00:30:22,805
So then they were on Seinfeld for a full year when I was still on SNL.

452
00:30:22,865 --> 00:30:26,245
So I would go out to LA to visit and I would hang out in the SNL offices.

453
00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:31,345
And then a year later, I officially joined the staff.

454
00:30:31,465 --> 00:30:36,285
So I was, we were sort of separate that we kind of joined, although obviously

455
00:30:36,285 --> 00:30:41,425
I, part of how I got in there was hanging out with them and meeting Larry and

456
00:30:41,425 --> 00:30:44,185
Jerry and whatnot. So sort of an answer there.

457
00:30:44,485 --> 00:30:48,165
But yeah, no, it just was honestly, you know, that show had started.

458
00:30:48,185 --> 00:30:51,285
It was a couple of seasons in. It had become the hit it was.

459
00:30:52,045 --> 00:30:54,565
And, you know, it was really one of those things where,

460
00:30:55,289 --> 00:30:59,269
You know, on Thursday nights when it was, you know, airing, you just like,

461
00:30:59,329 --> 00:31:02,869
it was like nothing we'd ever seen because it was just so different.

462
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:07,949
I mean, now I'm not sure anybody, like if a young person watches Seinfeld,

463
00:31:08,009 --> 00:31:17,229
I'm not sure you realize how much it changed television because most sitcoms now are just very,

464
00:31:17,349 --> 00:31:21,029
most of them are very different because of Seinfeld.

465
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:27,009
They are doing the way they do a story, the way they kind of the characters talk.

466
00:31:27,129 --> 00:31:32,629
And I'm not saying every show is Seinfeld, but just a lot of shows do the Seinfeld thing.

467
00:31:33,069 --> 00:31:35,629
And Seinfeld was shot in front of a studio audience.

468
00:31:36,209 --> 00:31:40,089
You know, it's a multicam and obviously we had crowds and stuff.

469
00:31:40,109 --> 00:31:43,969
But as the show got more and more complicated, we were constantly shooting stuff,

470
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:47,769
you know, like on like our fake New York streets and whatever.

471
00:31:47,769 --> 00:31:50,909
And so all of that was not shot in front of the audience.

472
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:54,089
And as the show got more and more complicated than you would have in a given

473
00:31:54,089 --> 00:31:58,429
week, often four characters with four different stories and they're intertwining and stuff.

474
00:31:58,709 --> 00:32:03,149
But even though the show was shot in front of an audience, it became more and

475
00:32:03,149 --> 00:32:07,849
more like a single camera before there were all the single camera sitcoms.

476
00:32:07,849 --> 00:32:11,049
And really it kind of bridges that gap like

477
00:32:11,049 --> 00:32:13,709
you don't do shows like you know

478
00:32:13,709 --> 00:32:16,589
the office and whatnot all those single cams that now are

479
00:32:16,589 --> 00:32:21,149
you know it's all anyone does a single cam but again i think seinfeld is that

480
00:32:21,149 --> 00:32:26,089
sort of magical bridge and it just you know so many shows that just kind of

481
00:32:26,089 --> 00:32:31,109
again i don't want to say lifted but just kind of you know did the seinfeld

482
00:32:31,109 --> 00:32:36,209
thing so yeah no it was It was very much just like,

483
00:32:36,269 --> 00:32:38,429
you know, this is the best show on television.

484
00:32:38,629 --> 00:32:41,309
I can't believe I've gotten a job here. This is great. You know,

485
00:32:41,349 --> 00:32:42,949
it was really that sense of things. Yeah.

486
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:45,615
Yeah. And it's cool that you got to do it with your buddies,

487
00:32:45,755 --> 00:32:49,355
you know, like how awesome is that much more fun? Yeah, obviously. Yeah.

488
00:32:49,915 --> 00:32:53,015
It's like the trailblazer, you know, of, of those types of shows,

489
00:32:53,015 --> 00:32:58,495
which, you know, and, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I watch Veep and,

490
00:32:58,495 --> 00:33:04,415
and there's the similarities of, of, of how people communicate more like there's DNA.

491
00:33:04,975 --> 00:33:09,815
It's like the DNA similarities. And by the way, you know, Larry really taught

492
00:33:09,815 --> 00:33:14,675
me how to write a sitcom in terms of, I'll say a couple of things.

493
00:33:14,755 --> 00:33:18,755
First of all, number one, what is a story? What actually is a story?

494
00:33:19,575 --> 00:33:22,975
There's so many things a story isn't that other sitcoms make the mistake.

495
00:33:23,235 --> 00:33:27,635
Often, a story is a location to them or a story is a holiday.

496
00:33:28,515 --> 00:33:32,915
Larry obviously had characters with real stories. And I think one of the things

497
00:33:32,915 --> 00:33:37,835
I brought to Veep is I sort of, I think in my, I, cause I did not create the

498
00:33:37,835 --> 00:33:39,795
show. The show was created by Armando Iannucci.

499
00:33:40,095 --> 00:33:44,195
He ran the show for the first four seasons and then he wanted to spend more

500
00:33:44,195 --> 00:33:45,895
time back with his family in London.

501
00:33:46,115 --> 00:33:49,535
He was looking to sort of, you know, step aside or I don't know,

502
00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:51,155
maybe possibly end the show.

503
00:33:51,275 --> 00:33:54,135
Julia wanted the show to keep going. HBO wanted to keep going,

504
00:33:54,435 --> 00:33:57,935
the show going. going, he was, Armando was open to it and was very,

505
00:33:57,955 --> 00:34:01,855
just really gracious and wonderful when it was sort of decided that I would

506
00:34:01,855 --> 00:34:04,655
take it over. I didn't work there before that. I was just a fan.

507
00:34:04,935 --> 00:34:08,515
And when I took it over, I do think there are things that I brought to it,

508
00:34:08,695 --> 00:34:11,575
you know, in terms of the, some of the storytelling, but also,

509
00:34:11,655 --> 00:34:17,415
you know, we started doing, I think more plots, you know, we started doing two and three plots.

510
00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:21,875
It's not exactly like Seinfeld, but in a similar way, more plots that were bumping

511
00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:25,435
into each other and things like that, because that's just, That's what I know.

512
00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:30,935
The other big thing with Larry was always that every scene has to move the story forward.

513
00:34:31,135 --> 00:34:34,555
And that's something that just works for everything I do, whether it's a movie,

514
00:34:34,635 --> 00:34:36,355
TV, whatever, which is...

515
00:34:37,141 --> 00:34:39,661
In any given scene, there can be things that are funny. There can be lots of

516
00:34:39,661 --> 00:34:42,761
different things, but there needs to be new information.

517
00:34:43,081 --> 00:34:47,721
The audience has to be hearing things because either something is happening

518
00:34:47,721 --> 00:34:49,781
or someone is telling someone something or whatnot.

519
00:34:49,941 --> 00:34:54,061
So the story is moving forward. Stories are no longer moving forward.

520
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:57,061
The show starts to feel stagnant and dead.

521
00:34:57,281 --> 00:35:00,961
And one of the things about Veep, maybe even more so, dare I say,

522
00:35:01,081 --> 00:35:07,421
than Curb or Seinfeld, was I just also pumped the speed up. So my show got faster

523
00:35:07,421 --> 00:35:12,081
and faster and more and more information and just kind of kept jamming it.

524
00:35:12,141 --> 00:35:16,221
But the DNA is pure Larry David Seinfeld. I mean, it just is.

525
00:35:16,401 --> 00:35:20,201
So, yeah. And I have that from working there.

526
00:35:20,361 --> 00:35:23,061
There are a lot of shows where they just kind of start doing it.

527
00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:25,581
You know what I mean? I mean, look, even, I don't know, I'm not saying I don't

528
00:35:25,581 --> 00:35:29,141
think anything crazy, but even if you look at like a show like Friends back

529
00:35:29,141 --> 00:35:34,121
in the day, they were doing Seinfeld-esque stories.

530
00:35:34,201 --> 00:35:37,241
That was not by mistake. Now they did it differently.

531
00:35:37,601 --> 00:35:40,981
They had people that were, you know, dating and falling in love more,

532
00:35:41,101 --> 00:35:46,081
but a lot of their, you know, New York City stories were very Seinfeld-esque.

533
00:35:46,081 --> 00:35:50,141
And in fact, Courtney Cox had been a Jerry girlfriend.

534
00:35:50,421 --> 00:35:54,161
That's part of how she kind of not, not the only reason she got that part,

535
00:35:54,261 --> 00:35:59,201
but she, you know, and, and over the years of that show, you would see people

536
00:35:59,201 --> 00:36:03,421
would be on Seinfeld in a funny guest starring role and then eventually start

537
00:36:03,421 --> 00:36:07,181
going on to all the other shows playing similar parts.

538
00:36:07,181 --> 00:36:09,841
Like all of a sudden like oh that nerdy guy's now on the

539
00:36:09,841 --> 00:36:12,581
on friends as a nerdy guy and you know what things of

540
00:36:12,581 --> 00:36:15,761
that nature and again it's not there's nothing illegal about it

541
00:36:15,761 --> 00:36:18,781
i'm just simply saying it just people don't quite realize what an

542
00:36:18,781 --> 00:36:23,121
influence seinfeld was i think at the time especially if you're just watching

543
00:36:23,121 --> 00:36:27,641
it on netflix now where it just seems like one of many shows that have this

544
00:36:27,641 --> 00:36:33,721
kind of voice no it was the first one anyway yeah yeah yeah i mean that that

545
00:36:33,721 --> 00:36:36,521
those Those shows, all three of the ones that we're talking about,

546
00:36:36,641 --> 00:36:41,021
are some of the only shows that really make me laugh out loud,

547
00:36:41,201 --> 00:36:45,701
genuinely laugh out loud at the television, you know.

548
00:36:46,641 --> 00:36:51,901
And then you win an Emmy. Is that like one of your most crowning achievements

549
00:36:51,901 --> 00:36:54,861
of your life? Or is your kids more than that?

550
00:36:55,341 --> 00:36:59,501
I mean, certainly, look, I'm going to put a lot of things in front of it.

551
00:36:59,561 --> 00:37:03,301
And look, obviously, I have a lot of work experiences where we didn't win an Emmy.

552
00:37:03,301 --> 00:37:07,401
You know it's funny i don't know i you know at some point or another i think

553
00:37:07,401 --> 00:37:13,001
i was texting with jerry seinfeld it was a funny thing the night i won the the

554
00:37:13,001 --> 00:37:15,101
night we won the first emmy for veep,

555
00:37:16,463 --> 00:37:17,643
Larry was the presenter.

556
00:37:20,143 --> 00:37:23,703
Curb was not on at that moment. There was no Curb. He was on a long break.

557
00:37:24,003 --> 00:37:30,083
And so obviously as a huge comedy guy, he was chosen to give the award out.

558
00:37:30,203 --> 00:37:36,343
So he was the presenter, which was just pretty amazing, just somewhat magical, dare I say.

559
00:37:36,343 --> 00:37:39,143
And i obviously there was no way i you could know

560
00:37:39,143 --> 00:37:42,323
you're going to win or anything like that and oddly enough uh alec

561
00:37:42,323 --> 00:37:46,923
berg one of my former writing partners was up for it as well he was doing a

562
00:37:46,923 --> 00:37:51,523
wonderful show silicon valley at the time and so he was up for it as well so

563
00:37:51,523 --> 00:37:58,763
there was a two and five chance that larry was going to give the emmy to basically

564
00:37:58,763 --> 00:38:02,243
one of the you know basically basically the, the,

565
00:38:02,303 --> 00:38:04,783
his disciples for lack of a better word,

566
00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:07,343
which was sort of kind of, you know, fascinating odds.

567
00:38:08,023 --> 00:38:13,463
But anyway, long story short, I did win it and Veep won, which was great.

568
00:38:13,543 --> 00:38:15,683
And Larry handed it to me, which was very special.

569
00:38:15,983 --> 00:38:20,463
And oddly enough, that year, Jerry had been nominated for comedians and cars

570
00:38:20,463 --> 00:38:24,463
getting coffee, which maybe had just switched networks or something.

571
00:38:24,503 --> 00:38:26,003
So now it was eligible for an Emmy.

572
00:38:26,063 --> 00:38:30,403
So anyway, long story short, I get up to, and I, And all of a sudden,

573
00:38:30,423 --> 00:38:31,623
you're up there in front of the lights.

574
00:38:31,763 --> 00:38:36,263
And really, the only person I can see in the front row is Jerry Seinfeld.

575
00:38:36,323 --> 00:38:38,723
So it was this very funny thing where Larry handed me the Emmy,

576
00:38:38,783 --> 00:38:39,783
and now I'm staring at Jerry.

577
00:38:40,863 --> 00:38:45,923
And by the way, it just was one of those very funny things. So afterwards,

578
00:38:46,303 --> 00:38:48,503
I think we texted a couple of days later.

579
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:52,120
And I think Jerry had written me something because I had said something about,

580
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:55,560
you know, learning from Larry and Jerry and he wrote me something about that.

581
00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:59,500
And I said something to him about how it had been. I thought it was a crime

582
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:02,460
that Seinfeld won the Emmy once, basically.

583
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:06,420
And it was before I ever got there. I mean, we were nominated every season.

584
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,700
We would win Writers Guild Awards, Directors Guild Awards, all these other awards.

585
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,240
And we never quite won the Emmy again.

586
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,740
And I sort of said to, you know, to Jerry, like something along the lines of

587
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:19,180
this was wrong. This was, you know, whatever.

588
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,760
And he had just a very, you know, sanguine sort of like very,

589
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:27,260
very philosophical reaction. He just sort of said, nope, it's perfect.

590
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,000
You know, it's almost like he enjoyed the fact that it was like,

591
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,580
that it was so stupid and so wrong that they only had the one.

592
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,560
He's like, I prefer it that way. And I was like, okay, I get that.

593
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,780
So the honest answer is I worked on a tremendous number of shows,

594
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,420
SNL at some point, Seinfeld,

595
00:39:43,580 --> 00:39:49,160
Curb, all of which had been nominated and I'd been many, many times and not

596
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,600
won for shows that I truly believe should have won.

597
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,720
And I, I, you know, the idea that Frazier won so many Emmys and I mean,

598
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:03,360
I'm not sure anybody, and by the way, I was about to say, no one even remembers

599
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,400
it and they have a revival on right now. No one remembers that.

600
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,720
And they beat, they beat Seinfeld year after year after year.

601
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:15,600
And yet, you know, how crazy that is. And I'm not mad.

602
00:40:15,780 --> 00:40:19,700
I'm not sitting here seething about it. It's just, it's just kind of crazy.

603
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:26,200
So, long story short, I will say that taking over the show and taking it over,

604
00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,400
and again, I obviously had an amazing writing staff.

605
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,260
I had Julia as my really almost like my new writing partner in a way just because

606
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:38,500
she and I were really a team in doing the show.

607
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,960
But i will say being the

608
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,140
solo showrunner taking over the show and you

609
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:48,040
know people i think thought it was going to you know get so much worse

610
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,680
and all of these good things that happened and winning for that

611
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
yeah no it was pretty great i mean it just kind of is

612
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,120
you know and but no not not as good as my

613
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,100
kids but maybe one of my two kids but

614
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,840
yeah right yeah yeah and she's so great in the

615
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,560
the show no she's incredible and you know

616
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,160
you have no idea i mean i don't know what to say obviously you watch the show

617
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,520
you get to see how funny she is but you have no fucking idea how good she is

618
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,800
yeah there's another show you worked on that uncle dad is a huge kevin smith

619
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:25,200
fan okay so the clerks he loves it all yep and uh i think he wants to well i just you know.

620
00:41:26,132 --> 00:41:29,292
I love everything Kevin Smith, everything. He's probably like,

621
00:41:29,292 --> 00:41:32,652
one of the reasons why I do a podcast is because of Kevin Smith.

622
00:41:32,812 --> 00:41:34,952
I mean, I mean, listen to his podcast since I was in high school.

623
00:41:35,032 --> 00:41:39,072
No, I think honestly, if Kevin, I mean, obviously he's obviously all his podcasts

624
00:41:39,072 --> 00:41:44,392
are great, but if Kevin had like put his name on like a microphone kit, he could have sold them.

625
00:41:44,972 --> 00:41:48,032
Yeah. I mean, he's very smart about marketing himself in general,

626
00:41:48,072 --> 00:41:53,412
but his great failure was to not do a Kevin Smith at home podcasting set because

627
00:41:53,412 --> 00:41:58,212
you are not alone in the world of people People that sort of listened to him, love him,

628
00:41:58,272 --> 00:42:01,472
and then started their own. So yeah, he would have made a small fortune on it.

629
00:42:01,752 --> 00:42:05,252
I have to tell you, one of my favorite highlights of his career,

630
00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:09,172
if you will, and I guess your career, is the Clerks animated series.

631
00:42:09,332 --> 00:42:10,792
I loved it. I thought it was incredible.

632
00:42:11,132 --> 00:42:13,992
It's a shame of what happened with Disney and that stuff. I mean,

633
00:42:14,012 --> 00:42:17,592
in my sort of my very Jerry Seinfeld answer now is no, it was it was good.

634
00:42:17,632 --> 00:42:22,672
It happened because like, you know, it was only because it was we got so like,

635
00:42:22,832 --> 00:42:27,292
you know, violated basically that like we sort of are still talking about it.

636
00:42:27,352 --> 00:42:30,472
But no, one of the things I loved it. I loved it as an experience.

637
00:42:30,552 --> 00:42:35,572
There is comedy that we put into those six episodes that I think was,

638
00:42:35,572 --> 00:42:40,272
you know, I don't like talking about my own stuff this way, but I think there

639
00:42:40,272 --> 00:42:42,672
was some of the best stuff I've ever done is in those shows.

640
00:42:42,672 --> 00:42:45,372
And stuff that was just again i hate saying it

641
00:42:45,372 --> 00:42:48,172
like this i think really years ahead of its time like jokes that

642
00:42:48,172 --> 00:42:51,432
nobody else was doing that like six years

643
00:42:51,432 --> 00:42:54,232
later shows would kind of do a version of our

644
00:42:54,232 --> 00:42:58,972
joke and of course nobody knows we did it first six years ago but like i don't

645
00:42:58,972 --> 00:43:02,372
know it just always sort of made me laugh there were things like i don't know

646
00:43:02,372 --> 00:43:07,712
like the judge reinhold stuff and whatever other shows did years later were

647
00:43:07,712 --> 00:43:10,492
you like wait a second family guys doing that we did Anyway,

648
00:43:10,712 --> 00:43:12,072
not the point of the story.

649
00:43:13,331 --> 00:43:17,671
I loved it. And I'm always really happy when I run into Kevin.

650
00:43:17,811 --> 00:43:20,251
Kevin lives sort of vaguely in my neighborhood.

651
00:43:20,411 --> 00:43:23,091
So, you know, when I'm walking and he's walking his dogs and stuff,

652
00:43:23,151 --> 00:43:26,411
we get to kind of run into each other just enough that it's always,

653
00:43:26,491 --> 00:43:29,311
you know, just like we always get like a sort of a good time and put a smile

654
00:43:29,311 --> 00:43:32,251
on each other's face. And I think, honestly, we both really enjoyed it.

655
00:43:32,271 --> 00:43:35,831
I never want to speak for him, but just all these years later that he's still

656
00:43:35,831 --> 00:43:38,431
talking about it too, makes me very happy.

657
00:43:38,531 --> 00:43:43,391
And him and Scott Mosier and kind of getting to know Muse and Brian.

658
00:43:43,711 --> 00:43:48,031
I just, I, you know, I, I got to, you know, and I've since then I've popped

659
00:43:48,031 --> 00:43:52,291
up, I've gotten to be an extra a couple of times in a couple of the Jay and

660
00:43:52,291 --> 00:43:54,711
Silent Bob movies and, you know, you know, whatever.

661
00:43:54,711 --> 00:43:57,771
And so i always get to feel like like i'm in

662
00:43:57,771 --> 00:44:00,471
the view askew universe i'm like a cousin like i'm

663
00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:03,151
a cousin from a far so far away city and i get to

664
00:44:03,151 --> 00:44:06,591
pop in every now and then which is a is

665
00:44:06,591 --> 00:44:10,731
perfect for me but i'm always very touched that i'm like a i'm a distant relation

666
00:44:10,731 --> 00:44:15,291
so yeah no it's a nice feeling yeah well speaking of you askew mike may i show

667
00:44:15,291 --> 00:44:23,471
him my hat yeah show away yes all right we We were going to go to the Cruises queue.

668
00:44:24,471 --> 00:44:28,931
Oh, that was like last week, right? Yeah. And, you know, I made that hat and

669
00:44:28,931 --> 00:44:30,571
we were going to bum rush Kevin with it.

670
00:44:31,531 --> 00:44:35,451
Were you going to bum rush him hoping that like he'd want to make like an order

671
00:44:35,451 --> 00:44:38,771
for his store kind of a thing? Was that the secret, secret hope? Yeah. Yeah.

672
00:44:39,011 --> 00:44:42,411
By the way, your hats are wonderful. I'm not sure I've said that to you in the

673
00:44:42,411 --> 00:44:44,831
last 10 years, but I thought that was really cool.

674
00:44:45,031 --> 00:44:50,271
You've done good. You made good. I appreciate you saying that. Thank you.

675
00:44:50,551 --> 00:44:53,031
It always goes back to Mike's hats.

676
00:44:56,371 --> 00:45:00,991
Maybe we'll send you a hat and you can pass it to him when you bump into him

677
00:45:00,991 --> 00:45:02,371
when you're walking your dog or something.

678
00:45:02,551 --> 00:45:06,011
Oh, Kevin, look what I happen to have that I've been walking around with.

679
00:45:07,051 --> 00:45:08,571
Just wandering around with this.

680
00:45:10,011 --> 00:45:11,851
I want to ask one last question real quick. Yeah, go for it.

681
00:45:12,944 --> 00:45:16,384
When you did that show, remind me, because I'm a vague memory.

682
00:45:16,444 --> 00:45:20,184
I don't own the DVD anymore. But as we talked about, getting rid of media.

683
00:45:20,524 --> 00:45:24,544
I know. And by the way, the shame of that one is, I will say,

684
00:45:24,744 --> 00:45:30,304
I think the six commentaries on that, which we recorded right after they fucking

685
00:45:30,304 --> 00:45:31,784
canceled us and whatever.

686
00:45:32,344 --> 00:45:39,404
Those are six long hours of therapy where Kevin and I really go through the ringer emotionally.

687
00:45:39,404 --> 00:45:42,544
Emotionally and it's just like two just angry

688
00:45:42,544 --> 00:45:45,764
motherfuckers just furious at abc

689
00:45:45,764 --> 00:45:48,724
and everything and it's like it's i mean i don't think

690
00:45:48,724 --> 00:45:52,144
anyone listens to commentaries anymore but those are good those

691
00:45:52,144 --> 00:45:56,364
are good commentaries yeah i that's literally what i wanted to talk about was

692
00:45:56,364 --> 00:46:00,044
those commentaries because i don't have the dvd anymore and that was my favorite

693
00:46:00,044 --> 00:46:03,804
thing because it really opened up my perspective of everything i mean it was

694
00:46:03,804 --> 00:46:07,684
i mean you remember you're sure you remember It was just such a process of what

695
00:46:07,684 --> 00:46:09,664
happened and what they did to you guys.

696
00:46:10,024 --> 00:46:13,184
I mean, I don't know. I just think it's insane, too, to just do two episodes

697
00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:14,164
and just pull it, I think.

698
00:46:14,264 --> 00:46:17,244
Right. Like, it's just, you know, it wasn't it wasn't it just,

699
00:46:17,324 --> 00:46:19,924
you know, again, it's like, you know, I'm dating myself.

700
00:46:20,104 --> 00:46:25,684
It's just like you guys just can't know what a giant hit and what a game changer

701
00:46:25,684 --> 00:46:28,004
who wants to be a millionaire was.

702
00:46:28,004 --> 00:46:32,244
Yeah. And we, you know, we sold the show to ABC when they were basically in

703
00:46:32,244 --> 00:46:35,104
third place and kind of open to anything.

704
00:46:35,224 --> 00:46:38,164
And I believe we were the definition of open to anything.

705
00:46:38,484 --> 00:46:42,684
And then unfortunately, before we ever, you know, got to air,

706
00:46:42,904 --> 00:46:46,704
they started putting on who wants to be a millionaire and it was on, you know, like.

707
00:46:47,396 --> 00:46:50,996
It was on like 11 nights a week. I mean, it was on just like they were making

708
00:46:50,996 --> 00:46:52,996
up new days of the week to put it on.

709
00:46:53,416 --> 00:46:58,016
And no matter how much they put it on, the ratings were just bigger than anything

710
00:46:58,016 --> 00:47:00,796
that any of the networks had. I mean, it was crazy.

711
00:47:01,376 --> 00:47:06,616
So when our show, which was certainly weird and off and the idea of them doing,

712
00:47:06,736 --> 00:47:10,496
I mean, forget about even if it had been the most mainstream show in the world.

713
00:47:10,576 --> 00:47:13,376
You know what I mean? Like just the idea that they were going to put any show

714
00:47:13,376 --> 00:47:19,696
on or even an animated show on, but a sort of, if you will, Kevin Smith ask,

715
00:47:20,016 --> 00:47:25,876
I, it just, I mean, it just became such a, it just became such a bad joke, but the worst part of it.

716
00:47:25,936 --> 00:47:29,576
And again, all these years later is not that they, you know,

717
00:47:29,576 --> 00:47:34,636
found a new show and they didn't want us and all of the things that are again,

718
00:47:34,796 --> 00:47:37,476
you know, very, you know, whatever, a very Godfather, you know,

719
00:47:37,496 --> 00:47:39,116
it's just business. It's just business. Okay.

720
00:47:39,216 --> 00:47:44,456
That's all fine and good. It was just how despicable and unhonorable they were,

721
00:47:44,576 --> 00:47:46,636
their inability to tell us the truth,

722
00:47:46,796 --> 00:47:53,356
the lying that they did to us about why it wasn't going on or like the way they

723
00:47:53,356 --> 00:47:56,796
even told us it wasn't going on, which was by not telling us.

724
00:47:56,796 --> 00:48:00,316
I mean, we read about, like, we read about the fact that we weren't going on,

725
00:48:00,416 --> 00:48:04,416
you know, in, in, in, in like a, you know, like in an article online.

726
00:48:04,536 --> 00:48:08,116
I mean, it just was, it was, the behavior was despicable.

727
00:48:08,196 --> 00:48:11,456
You know, it's like you, if you're proud of who wants to be a millionaire,

728
00:48:11,576 --> 00:48:13,476
be proud of it. Go for it. Congratulations.

729
00:48:14,356 --> 00:48:17,196
But I mean, I hate to say it, just don't act like, you know,

730
00:48:17,196 --> 00:48:20,496
just don't act like a, just a, I don't know. Just, just.

731
00:48:20,916 --> 00:48:23,096
Don't be a dick. Yeah. Don't be a dick.

732
00:48:25,596 --> 00:48:26,356
One of the,

733
00:48:27,078 --> 00:48:30,758
One of my favorite, and I think a lot of people's favorite episodes of Seinfeld

734
00:48:30,758 --> 00:48:33,778
was your Bizarro Jerry episode.

735
00:48:34,298 --> 00:48:41,218
You know, and there's a Bizarro statue in the Bizarro Jerry's apartment.

736
00:48:42,298 --> 00:48:49,538
And I'm wondering, was that yours, personal one that they use as a prop?

737
00:48:49,718 --> 00:48:52,758
Or do you have that as a prop?

738
00:48:52,898 --> 00:48:56,038
So it's a hard answer. at the time there

739
00:48:56,038 --> 00:48:59,378
was no such thing as a bizarro jerry statue there

740
00:48:59,378 --> 00:49:02,418
was no bizarro statue like dc comics did not

741
00:49:02,418 --> 00:49:05,758
make a bizarro they have subsequently bizarro has

742
00:49:05,758 --> 00:49:08,798
sort of come back a little bit into fashion which

743
00:49:08,798 --> 00:49:11,838
i'd like to think was thanks to me because you

744
00:49:11,838 --> 00:49:14,818
know it was just very much a character that was kind of gone and

745
00:49:14,818 --> 00:49:18,658
by the way it was a word that was kind of gone and i think nowadays you

746
00:49:18,658 --> 00:49:21,698
know you will read an article and it'll say like it's like bizarro world

747
00:49:21,698 --> 00:49:24,858
and i think people have learned the term because of the episode

748
00:49:24,858 --> 00:49:27,898
so to answer question number one

749
00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:31,438
because jerry had the superman

750
00:49:31,438 --> 00:49:34,278
statue in his apartment we wanted a bizarro statue

751
00:49:34,278 --> 00:49:37,658
which unfortunately as i said did not exist so that

752
00:49:37,658 --> 00:49:40,658
was something that was purchased at at the time the warner store

753
00:49:40,658 --> 00:49:43,618
the warner brothers store was a superman statue and our

754
00:49:43,618 --> 00:49:46,938
wonderful prop guy in art department kind of turned

755
00:49:46,938 --> 00:49:49,818
it into a bizarro they kind of painted the face white

756
00:49:49,818 --> 00:49:52,578
they scraped away with like

757
00:49:52,578 --> 00:49:55,558
a file at the hair and stuff and kind of you know

758
00:49:55,558 --> 00:50:01,318
made it sort of spiky and whatnot and then they fashioned a bizarro number one

759
00:50:01,318 --> 00:50:06,818
like little little amulet and like put it around his neck with like a i think

760
00:50:06,818 --> 00:50:11,938
it was a stretched out paper clip honestly making it like that and that that

761
00:50:11,938 --> 00:50:14,598
obviously sits in the same spot that the bizarre,

762
00:50:14,718 --> 00:50:18,258
the, the, the sort of Jerry Superman statue is funny enough.

763
00:50:18,278 --> 00:50:19,718
The Superman statue, the.

764
00:50:20,218 --> 00:50:22,998
Was mike i don't know if you remember from your

765
00:50:22,998 --> 00:50:26,438
old comic days was a randy bowen statue that

766
00:50:26,438 --> 00:50:29,138
also i think was for sale at the at some point at like

767
00:50:29,138 --> 00:50:32,258
comic shops and the warner brothers store he went on to

768
00:50:32,258 --> 00:50:35,218
do all those like busts of all the marvel heroes and stuff

769
00:50:35,218 --> 00:50:38,678
so he has like a kind of a statue empire of

770
00:50:38,678 --> 00:50:41,798
just some of the great he's a great sculptor i got

771
00:50:41,798 --> 00:50:44,998
to know him later on because in

772
00:50:44,998 --> 00:50:48,078
a weird way because we sort of put this bizarro

773
00:50:48,078 --> 00:50:51,218
statue in and people started talking about the superman statue

774
00:50:51,218 --> 00:50:53,978
some way or another i found my way to

775
00:50:53,978 --> 00:50:57,298
randy bowen found his way to me and i met him and his wife at

776
00:50:57,298 --> 00:51:00,258
the time and they came to the set and they took pictures with

777
00:51:00,258 --> 00:51:03,018
the superman statue long story short he had said

778
00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:06,318
to me oh i wish we'd known each other i'm sure i could have made you a quickie bizarro

779
00:51:06,318 --> 00:51:11,378
statue you know on top of the superman one to make it work it's like oh but

780
00:51:11,378 --> 00:51:17,498
anyway long story short we made this kind of crazy looking one and as the episode

781
00:51:17,498 --> 00:51:22,098
is ending You could probably see me crawling on the floor in the back of the

782
00:51:22,098 --> 00:51:25,758
scene to grab it and take it home with me.

783
00:51:25,858 --> 00:51:30,398
I got it. And actually, at the time I took it over, I got all four of the cast

784
00:51:30,398 --> 00:51:31,918
members to sign the base of it.

785
00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:34,578
And I have that in my collection. That was really awesome.

786
00:51:34,878 --> 00:51:38,938
You know, I am a I collect now movie props, among other things.

787
00:51:38,958 --> 00:51:42,218
And the stuff dreams are made of is very much about my movie prop collection,

788
00:51:42,298 --> 00:51:48,538
TV prop collecting in general. It's me and Ryan Condal, who's the new Game of

789
00:51:48,538 --> 00:51:50,158
Thrones show, House of the Dragon.

790
00:51:50,438 --> 00:51:53,098
He's a prop collector. I'm a prop collector. We talk about prop collecting.

791
00:51:53,478 --> 00:51:57,958
Back then, that was me really, on the one hand, grabbing just a piece of,

792
00:51:58,018 --> 00:52:01,078
I guess I'll simply say, personal memorabilia. You know what I mean?

793
00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,738
I was taking it because, obviously...

794
00:52:05,617 --> 00:52:10,797
I wanted to have it as I wrote this kind of a thing, but inadvertently it was

795
00:52:10,797 --> 00:52:15,397
some of the first props that I ever actually put into my collection.

796
00:52:15,517 --> 00:52:19,477
I just wasn't thinking of it as prop collecting if that, I hope that makes some

797
00:52:19,477 --> 00:52:21,477
sense, but yes, I, I have it.

798
00:52:21,497 --> 00:52:24,357
I have it to this day. It is a treasured possession, as they say.

799
00:52:24,697 --> 00:52:29,977
So yeah, one of the questions I wanted to ask you was what was your first prop that you collected?

800
00:52:30,477 --> 00:52:33,597
My first, my first prop, I mean, like I said, as I took a couple of odds and

801
00:52:33,597 --> 00:52:37,897
ends from SNL, I definitely took some things from SNL, took a couple of Seinfeld things.

802
00:52:37,957 --> 00:52:42,597
So I definitely was taking things from things I worked on, but they definitely

803
00:52:42,597 --> 00:52:44,797
were a little bit more in the same way.

804
00:52:44,857 --> 00:52:49,017
Like you go on a vacation and you buy a nice tourism tchotchke.

805
00:52:49,197 --> 00:52:53,697
You know what I mean? Like they were mementos of a work experience more than

806
00:52:53,697 --> 00:52:57,157
I was sort of prop collecting my first, I guess.

807
00:52:57,757 --> 00:53:00,617
What's the word I'm looking for? proper prop where i was

808
00:53:00,617 --> 00:53:04,237
basically wanting to own something from

809
00:53:04,237 --> 00:53:07,237
a movie that i loved that i did not work on

810
00:53:07,237 --> 00:53:11,597
do you know what i mean like the first time i ever spent money like on a prop

811
00:53:11,597 --> 00:53:17,197
and really the piece that probably got me deep into prop collecting in general

812
00:53:17,197 --> 00:53:21,237
because all of a sudden when i got it i was able to go oh my god i have this

813
00:53:21,237 --> 00:53:26,797
thing and there's more of them was a storm Stormtrooper helmet from Return of the Jedi.

814
00:53:27,017 --> 00:53:29,817
So, you know, a Star Wars Return of the Jedi helmet.

815
00:53:30,797 --> 00:53:37,257
And the idea of owning like an actual thing from Star Wars kind of changed my

816
00:53:37,257 --> 00:53:41,997
collecting like life, I guess, just the idea that you could have something from Star Wars.

817
00:53:42,157 --> 00:53:45,337
And if you could have something from Star Wars, could you have something from Raiders?

818
00:53:45,417 --> 00:53:47,897
And if you could have something from Raiders, could you have something from

819
00:53:47,897 --> 00:53:52,657
Aliens? And as I sort of made the list of, you know, the movies that kind of,

820
00:53:52,657 --> 00:53:57,257
you know, sort of formed me, I, you know, and then was able to get,

821
00:53:57,277 --> 00:53:59,617
you know, pieces from some of the ones I loved.

822
00:53:59,657 --> 00:54:03,257
It just really, that was my, that really just got me hooked. I mean, really.

823
00:54:03,757 --> 00:54:08,237
I don't know if you remember this, the time I was at your house, I was there.

824
00:54:08,397 --> 00:54:11,917
It was, I think it was for an LA Comic Con of some sort.

825
00:54:12,057 --> 00:54:14,897
Sure. And it was your, it was your apartment. And I was there with Steve Wyatt

826
00:54:14,897 --> 00:54:16,757
and Adam Hughes of all people.

827
00:54:16,757 --> 00:54:19,937
And it was the four of us and you were

828
00:54:19,937 --> 00:54:23,057
kind of showing us around your apartment on all the props and

829
00:54:23,057 --> 00:54:26,417
i my head exploded maybe both

830
00:54:26,417 --> 00:54:32,717
heads uh you had a a darth vader helmet from i think empire if if i'm right

831
00:54:32,717 --> 00:54:38,017
you had a a ghostbusters trap you had the the letter that marty writes doc yep

832
00:54:38,017 --> 00:54:40,357
warning him about exactly yep

833
00:54:40,357 --> 00:54:46,097
you had a doc ock spider-man 2 piece of a tentacle yep big arm tentacle.

834
00:54:46,297 --> 00:54:49,017
You had pieces of the Death Star on the floor.

835
00:54:50,017 --> 00:54:53,977
You had, I think, was there a Cylon Warrior in there? Yep, he's still there.

836
00:54:54,077 --> 00:54:55,157
He's still there guarding the door.

837
00:54:56,037 --> 00:54:58,557
There's some Star Trek tasers and,

838
00:55:00,081 --> 00:55:03,181
Those were some of the things I remember. And I remember geeking out.

839
00:55:03,581 --> 00:55:08,281
You were, I think Wyatt had already seen a lot of it. Steve had definitely been,

840
00:55:08,341 --> 00:55:10,381
Steve had been in and out a lot, obviously.

841
00:55:10,701 --> 00:55:13,961
I think that was the first time Adam was seeing it. I think Adam was really

842
00:55:13,961 --> 00:55:16,141
over, especially to see the Star Wars stuff.

843
00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:20,061
And so that was, I don't know, it's too long. I definitely remember it happening.

844
00:55:20,301 --> 00:55:23,761
I'm guessing that was sort of vaguely the point was like getting Adam to see

845
00:55:23,761 --> 00:55:27,061
the stuff. He'd wanted to see it. So I'm sure some version of that.

846
00:55:27,201 --> 00:55:29,841
Yeah. Yeah. And we got to see it and he and I were geeking out.

847
00:55:30,081 --> 00:55:34,001
And like talking and looking at each other and like becoming best friends.

848
00:55:34,461 --> 00:55:40,021
And then the next day I went to go talk to him at the convention just to say hi, really.

849
00:55:40,541 --> 00:55:45,481
And he didn't even remember who I was or pretended to not remember.

850
00:55:45,661 --> 00:55:48,761
No, I think he just honestly just didn't even see your face.

851
00:55:48,841 --> 00:55:51,941
You were there talking to him and he was just looking at a stormtrooper.

852
00:55:52,021 --> 00:55:55,721
You know what I mean? It's like you'd come to him in a white stormtrooper mask.

853
00:55:55,941 --> 00:55:58,121
You'd have been like, Mike, how are you? But yeah.

854
00:55:58,621 --> 00:56:03,141
Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, I probably look like every other guy at the convention anyway. Yes.

855
00:56:04,001 --> 00:56:11,041
So a lot of those props, and you've gotten many more now, that's the nucleus of your podcast.

856
00:56:11,481 --> 00:56:13,221
Yeah. And it's...

857
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:17,790
So like how how do you start a

858
00:56:17,790 --> 00:56:20,690
podcast like that and you're you're doing seasons so like

859
00:56:20,690 --> 00:56:23,630
you record a bunch at once and then release them all

860
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:27,790
or like no we try and we you know we'll look we're both busy guys you know we're

861
00:56:27,790 --> 00:56:32,030
sort of our our running joke or our latest version of the joke is you know like

862
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:36,890
it's sort of like the the you know how everybody adopted a dog during uh covid

863
00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:40,090
you know it's like we started a podcast you either adopted a dog you started

864
00:56:40,090 --> 00:56:42,790
a podcast oh yeah yeah Yeah, exactly.

865
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:45,530
And so, yeah, we did that so that we did that.

866
00:56:45,850 --> 00:56:50,030
And at the same time, you know, he's working on House of the Dragon and I was

867
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:53,470
for a long time, you know, now we're a year beyond.

868
00:56:53,570 --> 00:56:57,070
But for a long time, I was finished making and then, you know,

869
00:56:57,070 --> 00:57:00,230
editing and then finishing and then releasing White House plumbers.

870
00:57:00,370 --> 00:57:05,690
And so we have jobs, you know, so when our seasons are sort of more like we

871
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:09,810
kind of do the show every week, you know, and we're usually a little bit ahead

872
00:57:09,810 --> 00:57:12,410
and we kind of just do it until we get a little bit of time.

873
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:15,130
A couple ahead and we're just exhausted and like the

874
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:17,990
rest of our real jobs and our real live work kind of

875
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:20,970
catches up a bit too much so for example

876
00:57:20,970 --> 00:57:23,710
we kind of we we came out of the gate

877
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:26,830
really strong last year and we did a bunch of shows like september

878
00:57:26,830 --> 00:57:29,610
october november and we managed to have like a show

879
00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:32,230
recorded for december and then it was just like we need a break you know

880
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:35,290
like his work got crazy and everything and so

881
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:38,230
yeah i mean we're not we're never that much far ahead

882
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:41,010
but honestly we just really you know

883
00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:44,410
we enjoy talking about props we enjoy talking about upcoming

884
00:57:44,410 --> 00:57:47,450
auctions we like sort of educating people we'll

885
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:51,630
pick topics like you know how do you display your props we do about you know

886
00:57:51,630 --> 00:57:55,230
what do you do with a mannequin we just did a big episode this year talking

887
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:59,810
about fakes in the prop world and like what to do about fakes and why and how

888
00:57:59,810 --> 00:58:03,350
bad you know that's becoming more of a problem as of course you know prices

889
00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:05,930
go up and there are more more fakes and whatever.

890
00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:09,450
And it's, you know, it's a little bit of the wild, wild West. And I know we just.

891
00:58:10,245 --> 00:58:17,325
It's a fun conversation. I mean, it's the same sort of, I could easily do a comic art podcast.

892
00:58:17,705 --> 00:58:22,685
I could do this. I enjoy talking about these sort of nerdy pursuits.

893
00:58:23,025 --> 00:58:27,425
And it's just fun. It's really just two guys talking about movie props.

894
00:58:27,605 --> 00:58:32,045
And then every once in a while, we bring our wives on to kind of make fun of

895
00:58:32,045 --> 00:58:33,905
us and yell at us about the money we're spending.

896
00:58:34,065 --> 00:58:36,665
So that's basically the podcast. Yeah, Stuffed Dreams are made up.

897
00:58:37,205 --> 00:58:40,805
I i have to ask you this so i actually own one

898
00:58:40,805 --> 00:58:43,825
screen use movie prop oh do you

899
00:58:43,825 --> 00:58:46,705
guys remember tremors 2 yes i

900
00:58:46,705 --> 00:58:51,045
mean i do i feel like all of a sudden you know this is the week that dune 2

901
00:58:51,045 --> 00:58:55,065
just came out and i feel like all of a sudden because of the the sand and the

902
00:58:55,065 --> 00:59:01,285
worms yes yeah i've seen more tremors references than i've seen in like a hundred

903
00:59:01,285 --> 00:59:06,105
years like the like it's somehow dune Moon is helping the Tremors franchise.

904
00:59:06,585 --> 00:59:10,625
Yes. Yeah. So the props that I have, and I actually have a question for you

905
00:59:10,625 --> 00:59:13,525
about it, is I don't know if you remember now, but they were making,

906
00:59:13,625 --> 00:59:17,625
and that little town was making money off the Tremors. Yep. And they had merchandise.

907
00:59:17,985 --> 00:59:23,385
Okay. In the background, somebody's selling a orange Frisbee that has like the

908
00:59:23,385 --> 00:59:25,125
logo of the Tremor on it. Oh, that's cool.

909
00:59:25,225 --> 00:59:28,085
I actually own that actual one. Well, that's very neat. Yeah.

910
00:59:28,365 --> 00:59:30,305
How do I display it? Tell me.

911
00:59:31,625 --> 00:59:34,325
Well i mean it's an orange frisbee and everything's sort of

912
00:59:34,325 --> 00:59:37,045
on the front right so it's like there's nothing really on the the

913
00:59:37,045 --> 00:59:39,925
back of it so honestly i mean the the easiest thing

914
00:59:39,925 --> 00:59:43,485
you could do honestly is just put it in a frame just put it i mean by the way

915
00:59:43,485 --> 00:59:47,425
steve wyatt could frame it for you steve is still a great framer but honestly

916
00:59:47,425 --> 00:59:53,125
just do just do just do a frame i mean honestly because i think it would be

917
00:59:53,125 --> 00:59:56,685
three-dimensional because obviously it's thick it's not a painting but it would

918
00:59:56,685 --> 00:59:58,585
just Just frame up, you know, with like,

919
00:59:58,685 --> 01:00:01,805
you know, even if you did like a white mat or something, it would just be right

920
01:00:01,805 --> 01:00:04,025
dead in the center. That would look really good.

921
01:00:04,655 --> 01:00:08,915
I think the, the next, the next step, a different version of things,

922
01:00:09,015 --> 01:00:14,575
but sort of similar, but good is you could get like, you'd have to go to like a plexi place.

923
01:00:14,655 --> 01:00:16,995
I mean, I don't know, Steve might be able to do this, but you certainly could

924
01:00:16,995 --> 01:00:20,695
go to like a plexi place and have like a nice plexi box made.

925
01:00:21,115 --> 01:00:25,195
And then if you will sort of lean it almost like on a, you know,

926
01:00:25,195 --> 01:00:27,535
like on like a, like a picture stand kind of a thing.

927
01:00:27,575 --> 01:00:31,195
So it would be kind of leaning a little bit, but then in a box.

928
01:00:31,195 --> 01:00:36,235
So it would sort of be standing on a lean, like basically like on your counter

929
01:00:36,235 --> 01:00:38,055
or whatever, and do it like in a plexi box.

930
01:00:38,195 --> 01:00:42,935
Both of those I think would look really, really nice just off the top of my head. So there you go.

931
01:00:43,035 --> 01:00:46,935
Oh yeah. And that is why they need to listen to your podcast.

932
01:00:47,155 --> 01:00:49,735
There you go. Yeah. Those are the tips, but you know, look, obviously in this

933
01:00:49,735 --> 01:00:54,635
case, you are also talking about something that is thick and plastic and not

934
01:00:54,635 --> 01:00:56,255
going to break and not brittle.

935
01:00:56,315 --> 01:00:59,735
And we don't need to worry about like, well, how are we going to support it and all of these things.

936
01:00:59,955 --> 01:01:02,795
And, but that, changes based on the prop if all

937
01:01:02,795 --> 01:01:05,915
of a sudden you were like i've got this you know whatever 20 year

938
01:01:05,915 --> 01:01:08,755
old like you know something that's made of rubber and it's

939
01:01:08,755 --> 01:01:11,395
drying out and whatever well then okay now we got to

940
01:01:11,395 --> 01:01:14,255
talk about can we get conservation on it how do we support

941
01:01:14,255 --> 01:01:16,995
you know so every prop is different but that that one

942
01:01:16,995 --> 01:01:20,435
will lend itself i think in a really great way to to frame

943
01:01:20,435 --> 01:01:23,295
it up and whatnot so yeah i think that'd be great i think you're

944
01:01:23,295 --> 01:01:26,215
oh no please i think that'd be so cool one of

945
01:01:26,215 --> 01:01:29,375
the things that you guys are talking about and i know they're they're kind

946
01:01:29,375 --> 01:01:32,635
of a sponsor of yours is the the heritage they're doing

947
01:01:32,635 --> 01:01:36,275
heritage auction is doing the the planet hollywood yeah they're

948
01:01:36,275 --> 01:01:39,115
calling it treasures from planet hollywood we have two sponsors we have heritage

949
01:01:39,115 --> 01:01:42,715
and prop store but heritage is doing the big five-day planet hollywood auction

950
01:01:42,715 --> 01:01:47,815
yeah and uh and bruce willis was one of the original guys right and i don't

951
01:01:47,815 --> 01:01:51,615
know if you know but i'm a i'm a huge bruce willis fan i have a bruce willis

952
01:01:51,615 --> 01:01:57,075
tattoo oh i didn't know i knew that they have I mean, the three main guys.

953
01:01:57,315 --> 01:02:04,155
Schwarzenegger, Stallone, and Willis, you get really a sense that on certain ones of their movies,

954
01:02:04,535 --> 01:02:08,115
they just let Planet Hollywood back the truck up and take everything.

955
01:02:08,575 --> 01:02:13,335
I mean, this is a bad joke, but there's more cliffhanger stuff.

956
01:02:14,055 --> 01:02:18,595
There's more like Judge Dredd. If you've ever wanted to remake Judge Dredd,

957
01:02:18,615 --> 01:02:19,455
just go to Planet Hollywood.

958
01:02:19,555 --> 01:02:25,135
They've got everything. thing for Willis where it really hits is it's a couple, it's like the, uh,

959
01:02:25,954 --> 01:02:29,474
It's Die Hard with a Vengeance. Is that the third? That's the third one,

960
01:02:29,554 --> 01:02:30,794
right? With Samuel Jackson.

961
01:02:31,274 --> 01:02:34,514
They got a lot of stuff. They have a couple of things from Die Hard 2.

962
01:02:34,774 --> 01:02:38,874
They have a couple other odds and ends of things, but they got a lot of Die Hard with a Vengeance.

963
01:02:39,754 --> 01:02:42,894
They've got some other stuff too, but there's a lot of Die Hard with a Vengeance.

964
01:02:42,954 --> 01:02:44,834
And I think there's stuff that...

965
01:02:45,494 --> 01:02:48,214
How does one say? The one thing about these big auctions, which is great,

966
01:02:48,414 --> 01:02:53,554
is there's a lot of price points. Like you could probably grab something from

967
01:02:53,554 --> 01:02:58,054
a diehard movie that Bruce, you know, touched for like a decent number.

968
01:02:58,114 --> 01:03:03,214
It may not be, it may not be his main outfit, but there's stuff to be had.

969
01:03:03,414 --> 01:03:07,494
Yeah. Not his bloody messed up tank top. Yeah, the bloody tank top. Yeah, exactly.

970
01:03:07,854 --> 01:03:10,534
Well, yeah, that's, that's where I was going to ask because I know a lot of

971
01:03:10,534 --> 01:03:12,414
this stuff, you know, can get really pricey.

972
01:03:12,794 --> 01:03:15,914
But can I, you know, a guy that's, you know. Very much so. So,

973
01:03:15,914 --> 01:03:18,534
I mean, I hate to say it, but there are, there are, I don't want to call them

974
01:03:18,534 --> 01:03:20,754
bargain pieces because I think it's not necessarily that they're a bargain.

975
01:03:20,874 --> 01:03:23,354
I just think there are shitloads of price points. I think, you know,

976
01:03:23,374 --> 01:03:27,834
you can, you can, you can be a lower level collector and still find really good

977
01:03:27,834 --> 01:03:29,934
stuff. Yeah. Tremors 2, baby. Tremors 2.

978
01:03:31,834 --> 01:03:35,174
Tremors 2 and Die Hard 2. Yeah. One is slightly better than the other.

979
01:03:36,374 --> 01:03:38,434
Only slightly though. Yeah.

980
01:03:39,934 --> 01:03:44,154
Yeah. And you guys, you've had some good guests on. I know you had Anthony Daniels

981
01:03:44,154 --> 01:03:45,454
on. You've had like, who are?

982
01:03:45,794 --> 01:03:49,154
I had them in my notes, but they're, you know, in the car. So who are some of

983
01:03:49,154 --> 01:03:51,354
the other guests that people could hear that you guys had on?

984
01:03:51,494 --> 01:03:53,794
You know, we've had a bunch of, I mean, obviously, you know,

985
01:03:53,814 --> 01:03:57,914
it's, you know, the guests end up being very prop centric. So we've had like

986
01:03:57,914 --> 01:04:02,174
a lot, we, for example, we had like, you know, one of the FX guys who does all

987
01:04:02,174 --> 01:04:04,634
like the dragon writing from house to the dragon.

988
01:04:04,694 --> 01:04:09,394
We've had some of the great sword makers from like the Lord of the Rings movies

989
01:04:09,394 --> 01:04:11,894
that talk to us about, you know, making Lord of the Rings stuff.

990
01:04:11,894 --> 01:04:15,934
So those have been sort of our, those are the kind of guests we get in a good

991
01:04:15,934 --> 01:04:19,374
way, you know, and really, you know, it depends on the topic of the week.

992
01:04:19,414 --> 01:04:22,674
You know, we're always trying to like, like, we're always trying to talk about

993
01:04:22,674 --> 01:04:26,874
some aspect of prop, the prop industry that would be of interest both to people

994
01:04:26,874 --> 01:04:30,074
that are way into it, but also maybe to people that are just starting or thinking

995
01:04:30,074 --> 01:04:33,714
about it, or just maybe you're into collecting and not even specifically props.

996
01:04:33,714 --> 01:04:37,094
And then it's sort of like, okay, well, let's talk about what can we talk about?

997
01:04:37,134 --> 01:04:40,834
Well, let's talk this week about like, I don't know, like swords on the set,

998
01:04:40,914 --> 01:04:42,154
you know, and we kind of go for that.

999
01:04:42,274 --> 01:04:45,934
So yeah, I mean, I wish we I wish I could say to you, we've had the most incredible,

1000
01:04:45,974 --> 01:04:50,474
like, like, like, biggest stars in the world. We have not. Yeah. So, yeah.

1001
01:04:51,341 --> 01:04:56,441
Well, I know you guys just put out season seven. Yeah, just went live.

1002
01:04:57,021 --> 01:05:00,801
So it's just tell everyone that's listening to us.

1003
01:05:00,961 --> 01:05:05,401
The Stuff Dreams Are Made Of is available on wherever podcasts are available,

1004
01:05:05,601 --> 01:05:06,481
you know, all the biggies.

1005
01:05:06,621 --> 01:05:12,941
You can follow us online on social media at Props Podcast, which is we're on

1006
01:05:12,941 --> 01:05:15,361
Twitter, mostly doing a lot of Nazi stuff there.

1007
01:05:15,421 --> 01:05:18,481
But we're on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook.

1008
01:05:19,061 --> 01:05:22,701
And we have a YouTube channel. You can go to YouTube and do a search for the

1009
01:05:22,701 --> 01:05:25,641
stuff dreams are made of, and you can see the videos of the podcast.

1010
01:05:25,761 --> 01:05:30,001
We use this fine Riverside program as well. You can see videos of the podcast.

1011
01:05:30,381 --> 01:05:33,901
We're starting to try and do some live podcast, live podcast as well.

1012
01:05:34,021 --> 01:05:35,521
So you can find those through YouTube.

1013
01:05:35,861 --> 01:05:39,841
And when we are, these big auctions are coming up, depending on where they are,

1014
01:05:40,021 --> 01:05:42,301
Ryan and I will occasionally.

1015
01:05:42,341 --> 01:05:46,261
So in this case, me, cause everything was in LA. I got to go over to Heritage

1016
01:05:46,261 --> 01:05:52,081
and kind of, you know, play with a bunch of the really cool stuff and the Planet Hollywood auction.

1017
01:05:52,141 --> 01:05:56,221
And then I went over to a prop store and I got to see the stuff that they had as well.

1018
01:05:56,401 --> 01:06:00,901
And so, you know, got to really give everything sort of a look over and really

1019
01:06:00,901 --> 01:06:03,581
like, you know, really check everything out. So that was really fun.

1020
01:06:03,781 --> 01:06:06,241
So yeah, check it all out there. So yeah. Yeah.

1021
01:06:06,501 --> 01:06:11,041
There's some good stuff on the video. Like you get to play with the Barbasol can from Jurassic Park.

1022
01:06:11,081 --> 01:06:14,901
Yeah, the Jurassic Park can is just so incredible. And of course,

1023
01:06:14,901 --> 01:06:18,601
wherever this fits in, of course, that was Wayne Knight played Newman on Seinfeld

1024
01:06:18,601 --> 01:06:19,581
all those years ago. That's right.

1025
01:06:20,061 --> 01:06:22,241
Circle is complete. Circle is complete.

1026
01:06:23,141 --> 01:06:28,141
And one last thing, since you brought us Seinfeld again, this was in my notes as well.

1027
01:06:28,401 --> 01:06:31,741
Man hands. That was your phrase? You came up with man hands?

1028
01:06:31,941 --> 01:06:33,481
Yep. Yeah. It was... That's you.

1029
01:06:33,701 --> 01:06:40,701
Oddly enough, my wife was born on a farm. She lived on a farm in Maine. And as women...

1030
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:46,960
Often sort of do about certain aspects of their, I guess, body or physical appearance.

1031
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,740
My wife always sort of hated her hands.

1032
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:54,440
She did not like her hands. She felt like they were rough, kind of like growing

1033
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,560
up on a farm and having worked on a farm, she always felt they were kind of

1034
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,680
rough and a little too dry or whatever.

1035
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:07,180
They were not horrific man hands, but that was her kryptonite, her weakness.

1036
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:12,440
And I took that idea of, She used to call them farmy or farmhands.

1037
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,420
And I sort of took the farmhands and kind of stretched it. That's what we would do in Seinfeld.

1038
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,760
You kind of take the germ of an idea and stretch it into a bigger idea.

1039
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,100
And I kind of took farmhands and farmy and turned it into manhands.

1040
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:28,880
And this idea of these sort of, I thought that was a funnier way of saying it.

1041
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,980
And then that became, okay, what if we get like this very beautiful woman?

1042
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,380
It was Kristen Bauer, who was later on True Blood. but

1043
01:07:36,380 --> 01:07:39,440
we went of course when we cut in for her hands it was like

1044
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,700
one of the guys on the crew you know and so it was just big big

1045
01:07:42,700 --> 01:07:46,380
thick meaty palm and obviously both the visual of

1046
01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:49,120
that hand touching jerry's face along with the

1047
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:54,940
phrase you know man hands it kind of became a thing so yeah yeah yes but technically

1048
01:07:54,940 --> 01:08:00,320
a love letter to my wife so yeah oh that's beautiful last week we had the guy

1049
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:05,060
who coined the phrase happy wife happy life on jeff allen and now we we have

1050
01:08:05,060 --> 01:08:08,600
the guy who coined manhands on. So here we go.

1051
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:12,340
Dave, thanks so much, man. You're awesome. Thank you guys. This was very fun.

1052
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,460
I'll come back again. I'm sorry this took so long, but very fun.

1053
01:08:16,100 --> 01:08:21,320
Alrighty. And we will, we're not uncles. We're not dads. We're just someone you can talk to.

1054
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,780
Isn't that right? Yep. And we'll see you all next week. Take care, buddy.

1055
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:54,550
Music.