TGP Episode 9: Metal Gear Games

0:00 Music. Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's bi-weekly episode of The Game Papas. I'm Uncle Dad, and with me, as always, is the Retro Gaming Nomad. What's up, man? Cheers! Hello, everybody. Welcome back. Welcome back.

0:45 Welcome back. Oh, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. A little welcome back, Kata. Yeah, man. man. Every time I hear that, I actually did that one of our Uncle Dad Talks episode where Mike came back from being gone so long and I put the fucking welcome back theme in there. Did it take him back? It took him forward. Did he start talking like John Travolta? Oh yeah, he's in that, huh? Yeah, that was the first shit, dude. Wow, I forgot about that. But speaking of old school things, we are talking about today's subject which is near and dear to my heart well sort of metal gear those can't see because we're not video is is retro gaming nomad putting his metal gear in my face yeah so what i'm gonna do is i got a bunch of games here because uncle dad's definitely one of the biggest metal gear fans i know and we always have a joke every year because he's like no dude snake's dead metal gear's over with and i was like no it's never dead they're gonna bring it back and they are gonna milk that teat until it's dry and guess what they're gonna do after that they're gonna make powdered milk and they're gonna bring it back again and then after the powder milk goes spoiled guess what they're gonna get they're gonna get some similac and they're gonna remix it and they're gonna bring it back in it will never die snake will never die so while he's talking i am gonna put up to to the camera. You guys can't see.

2:15 I'm going to put up to the camera a Metal Gear game, and he doesn't know this, and I wanted him to say a little something about it. Okay, we're just going to do that right now? Well, no, go ahead with your intro, Metal Gear. Okay, so Metal Gear Solid celebrates, sorry, Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Year will celebrate its 20th anniversary this year. A lot of people consider 3 or 2 to be the best. Personally, I think 3 is the best one because it was a prequel to the franchise, which gets very confusing. And to be honest with you, I do not want, and Retro, you tell me too, I really don't want to dive into the plot lines overall because it's going to make no sense and we're going to be confused. You can't. Yeah, we don't have enough time on this podcast.

2:57 I think by the time we're done explaining the entire story, which I don't even know anymore, these people will probably die themselves. Either starvation if they listen to us or they'll turn into freaking mummy dust. Because who knows? Everybody's everybody's mom. Everybody's a clone of somebody else. Who knows? You might be a solid snake. I don't know. And you're a naked snake. I'm Revolver Talks A Lot. That's what I am. I didn't put a little rim shot in there. Yeah, so Metal Gear Solid 3 in my opinion had one of the most unique storylines that took place during the Cold War. You kind of see what Solid Snake is... Not Solid Snake. At that time he was Naked Snake, right?

3:46 That's the thing. Naked Snake. So he's currently holding up Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater. And, you know, to kind of talk about Metal Gear Solid 3, or all Metal Gears, what is the deal with them always repackaging it with a special edition basically later? What is your thoughts on that? Because why not? It's a money grab. That's a money grab, bro. Those are money grabs for sure. For sure they are. I just showed you Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater. And then one of the things I just posted on my Instagram is the not-so-well-known Merely Good Solid 3D.

4:26 Snake Eater. Yeah. And then you also have... Which Konami had to release that little... Remember that little attachment to the 3DS? It had a second analog stick? That's right! Oh my god, I forgot about that. That was for this game. And you had to... You can go to Konami's official site and actually get it. So you can control the camera and stuff, man. Yeah. That's right. Wow, I forgot about that. So on the subject of Snake Eater, we have Snake Eater 3D, Snake Eater, the original release. You have Snake Eater Subsistence, I think it's called. That's the one they repackaged. And there's two versions of that version as well.

5:09 You have the Snake Eater Subsistence Standard Package, which comes with, I think, the game, extra shit, and then, I think, Metal Gear 1 and 2, like Metal Gear for the NES. And then I believe it also came came with like extra scenes but then there's another version of that version that comes with a dvd that's the entire cut scenes into one dvd yeah because i didn't do that because i have well no i'll let you go on with metal gear solid 3 because i got this other one here with two but uh i'll let you go so metal gear solid 3 just had a bunch of versions, one of the things mr no man that i have wanted my entire life and i know don't have and i want it so bad is the metal it was for e3 back when they did it and it was an e3 exclusive vinyl of the metal gear solid theme song snake eater it was like a james bond type theme song i'm sure you remember if you heard it you would know it but it was like one of the most beautiful things in the medical universe and they made a full-size lp vinyl that had one song on it and that was the, and that was the Snake Eater theme song.

6:21 You can buy it online on eBay, probably like $200, $300, but if I could ever find one in the wild, man, I want that so bad. So fucking bad. They're not going to do a repressing of it? They never did. They never did. And it's weird because you know that would sell, right? Like that would totally sell. Well, yeah. And the fact that they re-released Metal Gear Solid 3 17 times and they can't do the vinyl twice? Like, come on. It's too expensive. You know, and it's funny because when you think about Metal Gear, and you think about Metal Gear Solid 3, not only is there the remakes there, but it was also released in other collections, correct? correct?

7:01 Metal Gear Saga, Metal Gear Legacy, and there's another one coming out, Metal Gear Collectors, whatever the fuck. Volume 1 and Volume 2. There's another remake, a full-blown high-def 4K remake of Snake Eater 3 coming out this year. Or sorry, Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater this year. Called Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater Delta. Delta. Wow. Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater Eats Again. Yeah, I have the PS3 Legacy. That's the Legacy. Legacy Collection. Yeah, that one has Metal Gear 1, then Metal Gear 2, Solid Snake, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid something, Metal Gear Solid 2, 3, 4, and then the...

7:53 I can't even read this anymore. My eyes are bad. Yeah subsistence all that yeah metal gear solid is one of those games kind of to what you're to you're saying in our previous episode we talked about classics and how they're being remade and whatever but when you talk about this this particular series i cannot think of another game that has had so many other than probably street fighter right that have so many iterations of this fucking game come out? Can you think of another one besides Street Fighter? Are you talking about specifically number three or the series? The series, because think about it, they all get re-released all the time.

8:35 Yeah, maybe Resident Evil. Yeah, okay. That's close. I would say it's definitely not as often, but close. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're redoing 4 now. I mean, they did 4. They're redoing Code Veronica next. Right, right. So, yeah. And then if you look at number 1, they redid number 1 multiple times, and then the Origins, and then GameCube, and then... Well, I mean, in Metal Gear, yeah, you look at Metal Gear, they did the phenomenal Twin Snakes, I mean, on the GameCube. And they're supposed to redo that one now, too. that one has never been released on a collection isn't that absolute bullshit yeah because I think it's down to the developers I guess.

9:17 Yeah because Silicon Knights developed it and Nintendo owns it yes I think you're right. And honestly that port or that remake of Metal Gear Solid 1 was one of the most impressive remakes I've ever seen for a game because it was such a great of taking what was so great about the game already and then making it better and then filling in things that you didn't see because you didn't have the really shitty polygon graphics right from the playstation 1 like it was just it was impeccable i seriously think having that comeback would be amazing i mean we can we need that we need that remake we need to really we do need that remake more than we need another release of metal gear solid 3 i completely I completely agree.

10:03 And Metal Gear Solid, let's talk about Metal Gear Solid 1, PlayStation 1. That game was the first game I ever played where I felt I was controlling a movie because of the presentation. Because the one thing that impressed me the most was that intro, and then you're going up the elevator, and then the credits start going. I'm like, bro. Bro. This is bad ass and you're just way you can't fast forward or anything and it's just like that's that music you know directed by hideo kojima and you know konami and all the developers it was in the beginning and i was like dude who does nobody's done that really before i mean it felt like a freaking movie yeah almost like a michael bay type movie huh like like a like a high budget.

10:54 Don't insult Metal Gear with Michael Bay. I'm not a Michael Bay fan. He destroyed my 20 years, man. I'm sorry. Oh, man. Oh, dude. I see what you're saying. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I mean, because he was the man at the time. What did he have at the time? The Island? What was that called? No, the Island. That was the 2000s. We're talking like old school. Miami. What is it? Oh my god, not Hot Club. Bad Boys. There we go. Yeah, Bad Boys is good. Independence Day? Come on. Independence Day was good. Yeah, I forgot that was Michael Bay.

11:36 That was good. Exactly, dude. Armageddon came out. Armageddon's his dude. Armageddon was alright. I thought it was alright. Oh my lord, you better not have Mike hear you. Sorry, Mike. But you know, Metal Gear Solid solid when you talk about that that opening sequence that that feeling you get of being in a movie they try to replicate that in every single game which usually i would say they nail but the problem is and i know those people are going to listen because i think you agree with me on this hideo kojima fanboys are the most hardcore fans in the world and they will fight you too saying that you're wrong his games are great and i'm not denying that they're not great but they are convoluted we have to admit to that i mean you got it you have to be on my side on that one.

12:23 Oh, I'm 100% on your side. I think, As time went on, I think some of the originality that especially with number one and part number two, it kind of got repeated and stuff wasn't as original. And that and I don't I wouldn't say that's his fault. I mean, he was so original when he when he came out with Solid, Solid two, you know, and eventually with Solid three. It's it's not really his fault because he had to keep topping it. You know what I mean? So I think think of it like a M. like shalaman movie you know at the beginning like all his movies all had a twist at the end of you're like oh my god i'm gonna go watch every one of his movies and later on you're like yeah, that i was waiting for that i was waiting for that knockout punch and it really kind of didn't happen i kind of i kind of got it like an easy piece of leg or maybe like a little elbow instead.

13:12 And i i i don't want to blame hedale for that but i think to your point some of his fans or fanboys put some of his stuff maybe rated a little too high. We're not sitting here trying to bad mouth him, although I do have a story that to this day still pisses me off. You know what I'm talking about. But yeah, it was a death stranding, man. It got a bunch of awards. I believe that's eventually getting a sequel and a remake or something like that. And I know a lot of people are like, oh, my God, this game was incredible. This game was genius. And I was like, was it really?

13:55 I thought it was like, I thought it was super repetitive. And the gameplay was, I mean, it was cool. It was a cool game. But in nowhere would I say genius status or, you know, that game doesn't crack my top 100, maybe not even 200. But I know people that just swear by that game. And that's, you know, they're just huge Hideo fans. I'm like, okay, yeah, more power to you. because i'm sure there's games that i like and developers i like and they're like uh yeah i don't know i don't think that game was that good but to me it was totally and i think too when you think about like the i like to call it the metal gear effect where it's like that's a series when you play it you kind of like have to really like think like you don't know anything each game right and like that's kind of how this writing feels like you have to go in like not knowing anything because if you go in with some pre-assumption of what this game is about it's gonna make no fucking sense And honestly, I'm probably going to get shit for this.

14:50 Death Stranding, to me, feels like a walking simulator, personally. Yeah, I feel like a space-aged UPS delivery guy, man. I'm sorry. There's all this technology, but yet you're carrying stuff on your back. There's all this technology around. Why can't I use the technology, man? I know. I know. And then you've got to balance your weights. Like, I don't know. I don't want to play a game where I got to balance my weight. And I see that. I see that he was trying to make that a game within a game, you know, a strategy part within the game. And I get it. I respect it. It was kind of cool. Hey, you had to pull the triggers and balance it. And that might be cool for like a mini game. But the fact that I had to do that and traverse like this rough terrain and the whole time I'm just dropping packages.

15:38 I have to pick them back up and rebalance them and do it. I got damn it, dude. Can I just get to the point? Can I just get to point a to point B, you know? And I'm just like, Oh, it's driving me nuts, man. And I think that goes back to his, his creativity and trying to create something different. And for me, that one didn't work with metal gear, going back to metal gear, solid one. I mean, some of the stuff that he did in there, like the knocking on the wall to attract people the first time ever, I was able to hide into a locker and you could see through the locker vents, you know, and see what's going on. Crawling in the vents on top and looking down, you know, the longer you stared at your female counterpart, she starts saying, hey, what are you looking at?

16:21 Kind of stuff, you know, stuff like that just triggered. I was like, oh, dude, that's freaking awesome. That's genius. And then going back to one of his other games that he made, which blew me away. And a lot of collectors looking for this one complete is the Boktai for the Game Boy Advance. Ants i don't know if you remember that one remember it was like a vampire hunter simulator kind of thing and it had a uv uv ray detector where you literally had to take this cartridge you know unless you cheated with a uv lamp those of you who have you know growing some uh some of that latin lettuce in your garage but um no but so you would take bacti you know and it had a cartridge had a little sensor on the top of the cartridge and you literally had to play this thing outside and the uv ray would charge up and then when you played the game at night or you went into the caves on the game you were limited to how much uv ray your sensor had and that's how you got to shine your light and and show you know and and go after the the critters and the vampires or whatever that were in the caves that was genius to me dude as stuff like that you know and that's that's right after like metal gear that's one of the kind of the unsung games that i thought was in my opinion was genius of him that that creativity but death stranding wasn't it for me man.

17:37 I agree with you, but for me, the one that I think of that really defined his career is Snatcher. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sega CD Snatcher. Yeah. I tried to play that one recently, and I just realized how much I don't like to read anymore. Oh, yeah. It's hard reading. Yeah. I had to read a lot, although I did kind of get into Disco Elysium. Disco Elysium is pretty freaking badass, dude. It's a different story. Yeah yeah but a lot of reading but i don't i normally don't read anymore you know back back in the days when i was playing games i had more patience able to read that stuff and yeah and snatcher absolutely man that was a freaking game changer man dude and it sets it sets up very much like who he is gonna be you know what i mean like who hideo kojima is gonna be what his games are gonna be like the theatrical they're the production is high you know they create stories that get you involved and connected.

18:35 And even though Metal Gear Solid is one of those games that kind of, you know, it is a very convoluted story, especially when you think about the big picture. It's still such an involved story. I mean, Metal Gear Solid 1, Masterpiece. Metal Gear Solid 2, it's good. I know why a lot of people love it. I have a hard time with it just because I didn't care for the switch between Raiden and Solid Snake. Metal Gear Solid 3, say Masterpiece. Metal Gear Solid 3 is so well thought out. Metal Gear Solid 4, well, you know it's it's great to see the the whole franchise come to an end at the time at least because i remember telling you you're right we used to work together and i remember saying dude but this is it like this is they're gonna kill him off it's over and then you had said no one day he's gonna come back and then many many years later metagross solved five comes out and even though technically it's not a sequel it's a prequel it's like yeah well he's never gonna go away yeah.

19:28 Well, I remember after Snake had technically died, and I told you, another Metal Gear is coming. And I remember your answer was, what? How? And you were just kind of pissed off, dude. And then you were like, why? Why? And I was like, because it's a moneymaker. You know what I mean? Why would, I don't know, why would syrup companies stop making maple syrup? That's their go-to. You know, why would, why would you stop selling? I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know how to put this. Why would, why would Cheez-It stop selling different versions of Cheez-It crackers?

20:09 That's their money maker. That's what they're going to go to. That's what they know. It was because, it was because it felt so finite. Like it felt so done. Like it felt so final. That's what I've been saying. So final. Like for me, at least when you played four, it felt like it was done. It was like, cause you sell what happened to them. you you but then what ruins that fucking game is you go through so you beat the game and then there's credits and then out of nowhere there's a cut scene that cut scene goes on for almost an hour after you beat the game then there's more you got you gotta keep your options open man, i mean now you never have it he doesn't own it anymore so yeah but you never know man you might He might buy it back.

20:54 I mean, that's what happened with David Jaffe. He had the rights to Twisted Metal, sold them to Sony, and then Sony, you know, basically fucked his game up. I'm sorry, Twisted Metal 4 sucked. And then he eventually bought all the characters back, because he went on to do, was it Rogue Trip? With a single track, which was a fantastic car battle game. You could system link that game, too, on the PlayStation 1. And I spoke to, I did an interview with Jaffe, and And I told him like how excited he was to get met or why he came back to do Twisted Metal. He was like, I had to buy my characters back because they weren't going to do anything with them. They're basically going to kill them off.

21:37 And so he literally out of his own money bought the rights to his characters back, made Twisted Metal black and was so pissed off at Sony because it was a mature rated Twisted Metal game and they would not promote it for him. And he said he said then I'm done with them so if I was Microsoft, or Nintendo I would definitely call Jaffe up and said hey what about making a Twisted Metal bring Twisted Metal back you got the Twisted Metal series out on Hulu or whatever it is. How about bringing that series back and we're behind you 100%? Because when's the last car battle game you played? You know what I mean? It's like a dead franchise. Bring it back, dude.

22:20 Yeah, that's definitely been a while since I played those. So always keep that door open, man. Always keep that door open indeed. And I think you're talking about Metal Gear and there was other versions of Metal Gear that people don't know about. So the Game Boy Color had the very first handheld version of it, which was called Metal Gear ghost babble which more or less was metal gear solid i'm sorry metal gear 2 which is on the on the nes more or less with a little bit of one sprinkled in there did you ever play that one i believe i and i believe i gave you my copy yeah a long time ago you might have made of yeah you might have yeah that was a long time ago then yeah yeah but ghost babble and then we talk about more portables there was a metal gear on the psp playstation portable a very unique one oh no you You want to go that one, okay?

23:07 It was called Portable Ops Plus, which was basically Metal Gear Online, really, because it wasn't that story-driven. It was more about the multiplayer function on the go, right? It was cool, but it wasn't Metal Gear. I mean, not authentically. But the one I was going to refer to, if you could bring that up now, is Metal Gear Acid. I don't have it on me. I don't know where my box is. I have the cartridge only, but I don't know what my box is. Man, Metal Gear Asset and Metal Gear Asset 2, arguably one of the most unique versions of Metal Gear ever made, if you haven't played it, for the PlayStation Portable. It was a Metal Gear turn-based card game.

23:48 When you would think about that statement back in the day, I mean, this is what I miss about gaming. It was like, they would take chances on a show like that. You know what I mean? Like, somebody thought, let's try making a Metal Gear card game, right? Like, that would never happen now. Yeah and i think that spawned i could be wrong but dating it i think that spawned, other card games like s and k card fighter clash oh wow and then and then eventually capcom came out with their own little card game street fighter street fighter card game i think you could play it right now on on your phones where it has not just street fighter but it has like other characters from other capcom games as well they did a card they did a card battle game as as well.

24:32 And it just showed that it can be done if it's done the right way and you have the right. The right layout as far as the characters and their weak points, strong points, all that stuff. Yeah, Metal Gear Acid. Didn't Metal Gear Acid come with 3D glasses, too? Metal Gear Acid 2 did. Metal Gear Acid 2 did, yeah. Yeah, because they changed... That was another feature I thought was dope, dude. You could play it in freaking 3D. Yeah, yeah. They changed the art style. It was more of a cel-shaded art style on the second one. Because the first, they were kind of mold... Not mold. Just boring. They weren't really really great polygons or the the the added the cell shading kind of made it more pop a little bit right and there's a 3d aspect to it like you said but it would only work though if you had the psv 1000 the fat boy it wouldn't work with the other ones and so you're going to slide it in the little cardboard thing and if you think about this this is before vr glasses this is before, google google uh cardboard like this is kind of ahead of its time in some respects would you you agree with that yeah absolutely and this goes back to like this goes back to i think kojima's innovation he's all he was always striving to innovate you know totally and and there is a metal gear acid it's what it's hard to describe it without playing it but you basically get a round of cards and each card set kind of has like its own like you move x faces you can use a card weapon card you can use a grenade card or something like I thought, you're using your cards

26:03 to move forward in the game. And it's kind of like a tactics game, but you need the cards to do it. And it's all digital, of course. It was such a unique and fun experience. And honestly, I would love to have that ported on the Switch or something. That'd be cool to play on there. Or even on your phone, that'd be cool. But that's yet to happen, of course. But Metal Gear Solid has gone through such a weird change of... Direction so medical solid 5 came out not that long ago and that one actually has it's voiced by because we can't talk about mgs and not bring up the voice of solid snake right one of the most voices in the video game world which is voiced by david hater and i don't know if i told you this or not but i actually met david hater in my travels no way and that's good and i'll tell you about the interaction so david hater kind of like you is very passionate about what he does but he always every knows him for metal gear and whatever that's great but a lot of people don't know he's actually a screenwriter first and so he wrote the script for the original x-men movies and people don't also know this he arguably wrote one of the greatest comic movies of all time and i think even you like this movie is the watchman oh yes for sure and i was talking about like hey you know i think you're although i love your voice and obviously it's so iconic your writing is really amazing because obviously to me there still has yet to be a comic book movie as perfect as the watchman like as far as like from page to screen man it's perfect right almost

27:36 near other than the ending it's almost perfect and he was really he was really thankful for that and he pulls me close to his ear and he goes and he says, Uncle Dad, you're good. Oh, man. Awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, so Watchmen, man, I love that movie so much and I did not read the comic or graphic novel, some people want to call it, at all. Just not a reader. I've never been a comic book reader and I freaking love that movie, dude. I love the series. HBO series I loved as well. I thought it was very, very well done. I actually haven't seen the series. I think you'll like it, man. Yeah, I think you'll like it.

28:17 It's definitely modernized, but it's significant in the times, even now. It came out, what, a couple years back, but it's still significant to this day of kind of like what's going on. It's very well done, dude. The cinematics are sick. The filming, I think they got a bunch of awards for like effects and stuff. I liked it a lot. lot yeah so you know solid snake himself is a part of that but then he wasn't asked to be in number five there really hasn't that to this day hasn't been a reason as to why he wasn't asked they just said they didn't ask him and they brought keifer sutherland in to be the voice of metal gear solid and while it's not a bad it's not a bad take on the voice it just sometimes feels like he's trying too hard and keifer you know he's obviously a great actor you know lost Boys, 24, and some other good stuff, I think. He was also in a great horror movie called Mirrors.

29:11 But, you know, I think it's hard to replicate who Saltzang is. Don't forget Stand By Me. Who's in Stand By Me? Oh, wow. Good pull. Yeah, you know, so it's hard for me to just get into that voice and get into that character. I can imagine it's a challenge, but Metal Gear Solid V, in my opinion, was like the weakest of all the Metal Gears. Because, I don't know, it just wasn't needed. You know, it should have just ended at four, right? We didn't need to go five. And now we're going to probably, you know, see another one one day. I mean, I know there's that horrible... Do you know about that Metal Gear game? It's like a horrible online zombie shooter. I heard about it yeah yeah horrible oh my god horrible, it's horror bull horrible going back to you were talking about how they got keifer and when you do something like that to a series voice acting is a big deal man because, it changes just the the gameplay aspect of it because yeah you're used to a certain voice and that's always been attached to that character.

30:24 Another series, which was inspired by Metal Gear and they changed the voice actor, which pissed me off, was Splinter Cell. Oh, yeah. So when they did Splinter Cell, remember, and they... And they had, what's his name? What can I think of his name right now? Michael Ironside, right? Michael Ironside. And then they went away from him in, I forgot what Spinner said, Conviction, I think it was. And they went away from him. I was like, dude, that's, Michael Ironside is Sam Fisher. He always will be Sam Fisher. What the fuck are you guys doing? And it just changed it, man. It changed the feel right away, man. You can't do that shit. and i was hoping when i heard that he's not the voice i was hoping that he would say no i'm not doing it because my loyalty is with kojima and the creator but when i found out that he wasn't even asked i was like i i can see already the writing on the wall with konami and then the stuff came out later they're letting you know kojima go and and i was like man this is as as as tired as i was of the metal gear franchise at that time that's not a good decision that was bad dude that was really bad so i hope he comes back with a vengeance something better than death you know what's interesting too about you saying all that about the splinter cell thing is that splinter cell blacklist and i'm reading it right now michael ironside him michael ironside himself himself said he actually

31:57 just didn't want to do it he didn't want to do it because he felt that the script wasn't good enough he felt that it was too gory too bloody so that's why he chose not to do it so ultimately michael ironside is the one to blame why he wasn't in black blitz hold on. Michael ironside said it was too bloody and too gory yeah he goes when they said when they sent me for the or is it uh yeah when i got the script it was very stiff very inflexible and a lot of a a lot of blood and violence and I didn't want to do it. Tell me from the guy who did Starship Troopers? I mean, he's also old now, right? That was perfect pop, by the way.

32:40 He sounded like old man on that cop. I did, actually. I know. Let me tell you about Metal Gear Solid, Sonny. Oh, man. To wrap everything up here about Metal Gear, this wasn't about a history of Metal Gear, just to chat about our memories of Metal Gear. And honestly Metal Gear Solid will always mean a lot to me forever it will even though I don't really play it as much as I used to what's funny is am I going to get the remake of Delta of Metal Gear Solid? I haven't played 3 in so long and I want to replay it because that was my favorite, you know what on the last episode you did a code corner I got a code corner for this episode, the code corner for Metal Gear Solid 3 if you when you play the boss where he's an old sniper i think i can't remember his name exactly but the the sniper who's an old man when you get into that mission save the game when you get to that boss fight save the game cancel the game out or you know close the game turn on the ps2 do it where you can actually select the system clock go to system clock fast forward the the the internal date to like, I don't know, five, 10 years, just X months, just like more than five years, then boot the game up and play.

33:59 What will happen is whoever that boss's name is, the old sniper, he will be dead because he died of old age. And you skip the entire boss fight. That's awesome. Remember the trick with Metal Gear Solid 1 when you first faced Psycho Mantis? Which one, which trick? You'd plug the controller into port number two? Yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you plugged it into port number two, and you would kill him because he couldn't read your mind anymore? Yeah. That was awesome, dude. And when you first started the game, I remember I first started the game, and he's talking to you.

34:40 I forgot what character I was talking to you. They're like, oh, I see you like Contra and Castlevania. I was like, dude, how's your – what? Like, what the hell? They're reading the memory card. shit like that dude was freaking genius man yeah that stuff was freaking cool, so i mean even that trick of like uh killing the boss by old age like who would have thought of that right exactly uh bad ass dude but going back to uh metal gear solid you're talking about i got one of the one of the things that i'm happy i got in my collection i got metal gear solid integral. Which was the japanese only release came with another disc extra content and then i got something that was kind of forgot about and it was released here in the states i don't know if you're familiar with this as a fan but the metal gear solid 2 the document yeah the documents of metal gear solid 2 and it's for for a fanboy this is great because it goes over like the creation of the game sound development script the polygon models, It talks about the first, they give you a first look at the new VR training in Substance.

35:51 A bunch of special footage on it. If you are a Metal Gear fan, this is pretty tight. What were you going to say? Well, what's funny about the documented Metal Gear Solid 2 is I never understood why it was a PS2 game, technically, but really it was just a DVD. Yeah. Because it comes in a PS2 case. It's a real PS2 case. It says PS2 on top and everything. I think it even has a greeting. It has. It has an instruction manual. It's not an instruction manual. I've got the book inside, dude. Yeah, it's pretty good. I think that's why I bought it, because I was like, why did they put it in a PS2 case? You know what? I'm getting it. Even though I was... I don't know. I don't think it's worth that much money, but Metal Gear Solid fans are definitely out for it.

36:39 And the reason why I got that was because... And here's my... Do you want me to go into my story about Metal Gear Solid 2? You can after this. One last thing I wanted to say. Yeah, yeah. For sure. I want to finish with your story. So I just wanted to quickly tell you, very quickly, to you and our audience, if you like Metal Gear Solid, let me tell you, there is a convention for you. That's right. There is a Metal Gear Solid convention in Long Beach, California. It is the second year that they're doing it. It's called MGS Con 2, Cons of Liberty. Haha, get it? July 20th, 2024, the Kickstarter is live. If you are a fan of Metal Gear Solid, you've got to go check it out. I'm going to try to attend this year.

37:23 It is just go to mgscon.com. And then the way you get your ticket is you support their Kickstarter. They have prices as low as $5 and tiers all the way up to $100. And talking about Metal Gear Solid 3, they're going to try to have the woman who sung the theme song of Metal Gear Solid 3, if they can meet their goal, Cynthia Harrell will actually be there and perform Snake Eater live in front of everybody. Oh, wow. That'd be awesome. If you go, are you going to drop acid? Huh? Am I just solid acid? No? Nah. Will they let you smoke a cigarette inside? Because if they don't, that's bullshit.

38:05 Can I walk around with a cardboard box? Like, come on. Oh, that'd be sick. That'd be sick if you go over there, dude, and what does it just say on there? Food or something like that? And just walk around? Dee-dee-dee. And have like a little slot, and that way somebody finds you, and you're like, oh, look at that guy in a box. You can put up the exclamation mark. And then be like what was that noise. Oh man yes go check that out on instagram as well at mgs con and please uh this is not a paid promotion this is just something i'm doing because i'm a fan so mgs con 2 memes jeans and snakes a metal gear fan convention mgs con 2 cons of liberty kickstarter go check them out all right let's hear your story good sir yeah real quick on metal gear solid 2 just read the the back right now because we're talking about armageddon and we might piss mike off but the powerful music score was composed by harry gregson williams who also did enemy of the state the rock and armageddon wow there you go that's why so here's here's my story about metal gear Solid 2.

39:13 And one of the reasons why Hideo dropped on my list of favorite developers. And is it petty? Yes. Absolutely. And I'll own that. But I was such a big fan of Metal Gear Solid 1 and the Metal Gear game on NES. But Metal Gear Solid 2 was just revolutionary for me. So when they first announced Metal Gear Solid 1, when they first announced Metal Gear Solid 2, I could not wait for it to drop in America. So I imported the Japanese one and I found out there was a collector's edition, which cost me $250 plus. A lot of money back then for me, but I said, you know what? I'm going to get it. I got my PS2 chipped.

40:00 It would be able to play Japanese games and majority of that game was in English anyway. So I went all out, paid for it to get chipped, prepaid for this collector's edition uh shout out to network videos no longer around but those in northern california know what network video is natty thank you so what comes in natty calls me up lou your metal gear's in fat awesome and i don't live close to this place takes me about an hour and a half sometimes two hours and then about three hours driving back because of. Because of traffic. I live in the Valley and this place is in the Bay Area, California. So anyways, I go pick it up and I'm super excited for this game. I bring it home.

40:41 I got the collector's edition, man. Hell yeah. Bust open the game. And I'm one of those people that, you know, read the book, even though most of it was the Japanese at the time. There's a lot of English involved as well. And all the little extra stuff that comes with it. So I'm looking for all the extra stuff that comes with it. And it has like a little soundtrack with it. Cool. And I'm looking looking for all the other bells and whistles and there's really not anything and so i'm like what the hell what the hell is going on so i call them up and i was like hey i think there's some stuff missing out on my collector's edition and they're like well no and so they opened one that one of the workers opened one up and i was like why was this thing 250 dude i said i don't get it i could have just got the standard version for like 80 you know imported and been good he's like like no it comes with you see that baggie inside and I was like what baggie he's just like a little bag inside and I was like what are you talking about and so I open it back up again and I'm like, what the hell is this he's like it's a lock of Kojima's hair and I said you mean to tell me I spent $250 and all the gas and my time to go down there pick that up because this has a little, flipping of Hideo Kojima's hair on it?

41:59 What the fuck? I was like, dude, I was so pissed. I was like, what weirdo wants this shit? I got so freaking pissed, dude. I regret it now, but I got rid of it. I forgot who I gave... I was so pissed off that I spent that much money because this guy put his own hair in it. And who knows? It could have been a pube. I don't know. I didn't even look at it, man. I got so pissed off, man. So essentially, all I did was get the game and a soundtrack, which I... You can pop in the DVD into a CD player, I think, and it plays the soundtrack anyway. But I was like, man, I can't believe I paid that much money because it had like a little tiny shaving of his hair in like a dime bag, dude.

42:42 My question is, that must be so rare because I've never seen that before. Yeah, that's why I say I regret getting rid of it. Because had I have it now, I could probably sell that for a lot of money. And I would sell it because I was so pissed off. But that's how i thought i was so pissed dude at the time man i just i just wanted to get rid of it oh i was so mad i spent that much money on that because there was a bunch of other stuff that came out at the time i forgot what it was there was a bunch of dreamcast stuff that i wanted it was a neo geo game that i wanted at the time i could have got for a pretty good price over there and i'm just like fuck dude i was sitting here with a freaking little bag of hair and, and and metal gear solid 2 and it took me forever to pop in metal gear solid 2 i was so pissed eventually did and the story just got kind of crazy from there and the middle gear story at least and i was done i was done for a while it took me a long time to play three i eventually got over to three and i got over it i think honestly i think acid kind of brought me back like you were talking about the originality of it yeah it was a card game but it was very very well done pick up and play fun to play and i think i just get i got the other ones just because because there were Metal Gear, and I wanted it for my collection.

43:56 But, yeah, that was my story. Deep down, you're a Metal Gear fan, though, deep down. I would have to say yes, and it goes back to Solid, well, like I said, I enjoyed the original Metal Gear that I played on the NES, I enjoyed it. But Metal Gear Solid 2 was... As far as like influences on me and enjoyment that I had, I had a ton of fun with the VR missions, man, me and my friend, Jesse played the shit out of the VR missions. And we would, we would, we would do, we would do, you know, just time trials to do who get them, get them done first, the smoothest, the quickest. And if you could do them a different way, we did that a lot with, oh man, what was that one game called?

44:39 Mirror's Edge too. We killed it with Mirror's Edge. Time trials, man. man. Time trials were fun. But yeah, no, I'm a fan. More of one, definitely not because of two with a lock of hair. I do have one last tidbit of information. Do you remember a Konami skateboarding game called Evolution Skateboarding? I do. Absolutely. Did you know that there's an entire Metal Gear Solid skateboarding level there? You play the Metal Gear Solid 2. Sorry, sorry. From Metal Gear Solid 2, the whole entire thing takes place on the big shell, so you can actually skateboard in the entire big shell as Solid Snake and ride it. I would say as Solid Snake. I remember you could be Solid Snake on that one, and I think I could be wrong, but I believe it used the Metal Gear Solid engine, too.

45:25 I think it did. That's why it was in that, right? Yeah. I think so, yeah. Evolution of Skateboarding, if you guys can find that one, definitely check that out. Okay, that was my little little love letter to metal gear full of love and hate at the same time truly something i can't wait for and metagrassal 3 thank you for all the memories you gave me 20 years i can't believe it's been 20 years and if you haven't played all three check it out it really is and then delta's on the way so if you haven't checked it out wait for the new remake and get it all in 4k glory with updated content updated i i think if they're remastering his voice like everything's being being remastered so go check that out medical solid 3 delta coming out later this year you got one last thing one last thing do you ever think speaking of kojima do you think they ever will finish and release pt, Oh, probably not. Well, I don't know. Actually, I don't know now.

46:20 Let me rephrase that because I don't know if you, I think you must've seen that he's partnering with Jordan Peele in this new movie or this movie video game where they announced that he has another video game coming out and he's working with Monkey Paw Productions. So I think if that game comes out and does well, I think we will see a form of PT, but maybe not like what we originally saw. Okay. Yeah. I think it'll be a different take on it, I think. And then just because of the name, I wouldn't be surprised if they just said, oh, this is Hideo Kojima's and Monkey Paul's PT. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I don't know. We'll see. But without further ado, I'm Uncle Dad, and you can find me on Instagram at Uncle Dad Talks. And with me, as always, is my clever co-host, Mr.

47:08 Retro Gaming Nomad. And you can find him on Instagram at Retro Gaming Nomad. All one word, correct? Correct. Correct. Retro Gaming Nomad. All one word. On my post, I try to throw a little backstory to some of the games. It's not just, oh, here's what I got. Check it out. So appreciate if you guys kind of read, give me some tidbits and what you guys would like to see more of. That'd be awesome. And maybe you can post a picture of all the Metal Gear games when I post this episode up. I'll try to find the lock of hair. Just use one of your own. All right everybody thank you thank you so much for listening we'll see you all next month peace love and.

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